Aug. 24, 2020

Dr. Oz Exclusive Interview + Celebrity Sleaze + Show Outtakes

Dr. Oz joins us for an exclusive interview. We also talk general health, diet sodas and wellness in general. Barnes visits Fram’s farm. Show outtakes. The worst bands that people love to hate.

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Dr. Oz joins us for an exclusive interview with the latest coronavirus updates including new testing options and we discuss the forthcoming vaccine. We also talk general health, diet sodas and wellness in general + Barnes visits Fram’s farm + show outtakes + celebrity sleaze + Netflix recos + Outer Banks + Tiger King season 2 + Larry King tragedy + Aunt Betty goes to jail + Paris Hilton reveals all + John Mayer Throuple + Tyra Banks not pulling stars on Dancing + Ryan Reynolds scores millions from his Gin + The worst bands that people love to hate + new music bank + Cubby flashes back to 2005 and much more.


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Executive Producer: Steve Barnes

Hosts: Steve Barnes, Leslie Fram, Paul Cubby Bryant

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Speaker 1 (00:00):

Welcome to the Pop Culture Show with Barnes, Leslie, and Cubby.


Barnes (00:04):

For those listening around the world just joining us, welcome to Barnes, Leslie and Cubby. By the way, if you're just joining us, you might want to go backwards. Some pretty incredible guests over the last couple of weeks and we've had a lot of fun, Kristian Bush from Sugarland, Lisa Loeb, Butch Walker, Goldberg, who all of a sudden a lot of wrestling people just found out he was on, they're showing up, Joe Gatto, from Impractical Jokers, Air Supply's Russell Hitchcock, Collective Soul's Ed Roland. A lot of shows, wherever you get your podcasts. Today, we have Dr. Oz. Dr. Oz.


Leslie (00:36):

That's a big guest.


Barnes (00:38):

I like him.


Cubby (00:38):

Do we have to wear a mask during this interview or are we okay with that?


Barnes (00:42):

We have to wear a mask. Please rate, review, and subscribe. Dr. Oz will be coming up in just a little bit. You can catch us on the iHeartRadio app, the Pandora app, Tesla's Buicks now, right Cubby?


Cubby (00:52):



Barnes (00:53):

We're going strong?


Cubby (00:53):

Going strong and Buicks and Lime Green Pacer's.


Barnes (00:57):

You guys have a good week?


Leslie (00:58):

Had a great week. Cubby, we never had a chance to tell you about the weekend. Barnes and his beautiful wife Heather we're here.


Cubby (01:06):

I know. I really was missing out. Tell me how big your farm is, by the way, because you talked about your farm.


Barnes (01:11):

It's big.


Cubby (01:11):

It's big, right?


Leslie (01:12):

Yeah, 40 acres. We came out here for a couple of nights. Barnes, Cubby, you have no idea how dedicated he is to this show.


Cubby (01:22):

It's work, work, work all the time, I'm guessing.


Leslie (01:24):

Well, there were a couple of days where I was like, "Yeah, let's go out. You can pet the horse and stuff like that. Barnes diligently sitting in my living room editing this podcast for the Pop Culture Show the whole day.


Barnes (01:38):

I was editing promos, Fram, and someone's got to do it.


Cubby (01:42):

Why couldn't you wait till you got home and enjoy your time with Leslie, Barnes?


Barnes (01:45):

I did enjoy my time with Leslie. Oh, I would, Cubby, but Leslie was on conference calls the entire time we were there.


Cubby (01:50):

Leslie, are you serious? Are you ...


Barnes (01:53):

Call a spade a spade.


Cubby (01:54):

Are you really on Zoom calls all day, because you say that and ...


Leslie (01:56):

I am.


Cubby (01:57):

... I don't believe it.


Leslie (01:58):

I'm on all day.


Barnes (01:58):

[crosstalk 00:01:58] Okay. Here we go. Here's an example ...


Leslie (01:59):

There's was an emergency.


Barnes (02:00):

No way Leslie. No. No. No.


Cubby (02:02):

Reenact it right now.


Barnes (02:03):

Hold on. They are like, "Let's go to lunch." We're going to go to Kentucky for lunch and we're in Tennessee, mind you. I'm thinking, "Oh gosh, how am I going to get any of this work done?" Then Lanny goes, "Oh, well, Leslie, why don't you write into Tesla so you can see what this whole autodrive thing is about, and Heather will come with me." I'm like, "Okay." Fram gets in within 30 seconds she's on a conference call, "I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I got to take this. I'm sorry," the whole way. I couldn't even show her. I just put the car on autodrive and I tuned out and Leslie was like, "What do you have for lunch?"


Leslie (02:37):

He wanted to show me all the bells and whistles and yeah.


Cubby (02:40):

But I love it how most people are just nose deep in their phone. But you're just always on calls, Leslie, you're not really on your ... some people will stare at their phone and just swipe and do all that.


Leslie (02:50):

Right. Right.


Cubby (02:51):

You're literally on calls all day.


Barnes (02:53):

All day.


Leslie (02:53):

I will say that Heather and I went into this really cool antique place because Heather knows all about antiques.


Barnes (02:58):

For a fricking hour.


Leslie (03:00):

They stayed in the car, Lanny and Barnes stayed in the car. We were like, "You know what? I'm not going to stress out about this." We were in there for hour, hour and a half.


Barnes (03:08):

Lanny took a nap. I was running my phone battery down. At one point, I looked over and said something to Lanny, and he was asleep.


Cubby (03:13):

Did the Tesla autodrive follow a mysterious car out of nowhere in honor of Fram ...


Barnes (03:19):

No. It did not.


Cubby (03:19):

... like we talked about last week? I got to tell you, my wife heard that story. We were listening back to the podcast and she was crying.


Leslie (03:26):

It's true story


Barnes (03:27):

Well, Fram, she paid attention for just a few seconds. Can you talk about autodrive, Fram? What do you remember?


Leslie (03:32):

I just remember watching your dash. It was very impressive.


Barnes (03:36):

She was taking pictures of it and it was almost ... it was the car was a celebrity. She was taking pictures of the screen as it was driving us through Nashville. It's fun.


Cubby (03:46):

I do have a quick Tesla question by the way.


Barnes (03:48):

Yes, sir.


Cubby (03:51):

Because I'm really thinking about getting one because if you ...


Barnes (03:51):

Use my code.


Cubby (03:51):

I know, I will when I get to it. If I have the air conditioning blowing full blast and I'm charging a phone and my wife's charging her phone. Does that make the battery go quicker?


Barnes (04:00):

Go down?


Cubby (04:01):

Yeah, go down quicker, say, I'm on a long road trip and I'm using a lot of other things?


Barnes (04:05):



Cubby (04:06):

Minimal. Okay.


Barnes (04:06):

I turn the AC. if I go into eat lunch somewhere, I immediately turn the AC on as soon as they get out and let it stay on.


Cubby (04:12):



Barnes (04:13):

I mean, it doesn't even go down a percent.


Cubby (04:15):

You have what? What's your model again?


Barnes (04:16):

The 3.


Cubby (04:17):

The 3.


Barnes (04:18):

The Model 3 is four-package. You got to ride in it. You'll be convinced.


Leslie (04:21):

Plugged, no.


Cubby (04:22):

Yeah. Yeah. Plugged, no.


Leslie (04:23):

Well, needless to say, Cubby. We had a great time.


Barnes (04:26):

The farm is incredible. It's 40 acres. I'm not convinced she's seen more than one of those acres, where the actual house is because I'm just feeling ... because we went driving around in this truck that is a standard, the old-school truck, it seemed an old movie or something. Leslie sat in the back, might as well have been on a hay bale.


Leslie (04:49):

I sat in the back with Heather.


Barnes (04:51):

I could have sworn I heard her say a few times. I haven't seen this part yet.


Leslie (04:53):

I did not say that. I did not say that.


Barnes (04:58):

I don't know. It was just funny because Lanny runs the how. Lanny is a workhorse.


Leslie (05:02):

Yeah, he does on the show.


Barnes (05:03):

I mean ...


Cubby (05:04):

Can he name all the animals? By the way, how many animals do you have?


Leslie (05:05):

Only three.


Cubby (05:07):



Barnes (05:07):

Four, you got Bo.


Leslie (05:08):

Yeah. Well, I'm talking about outdoor.


Barnes (05:11):



Leslie (05:11):

Two donkeys and a horse. But I will say that Barnes did do some aerial shots for us.


Barnes (05:17):

I did. Have you gotten that bill yet, that invoice that come in?


Leslie (05:20):



Cubby (05:22):

Is your drone business ... Are you're going to be firing back up pretty soon you think?


Barnes (05:26):

We've been going strong the whole time. It's all commercial real estate.


Cubby (05:29):

Okay. Good. Good. I was wondering about that.


Barnes (05:31):

Nothing about that. Thanks for asking. It's been nonstop because of no one will travel. I mean, no one wants to travel. All these big developments now more than ever need stuff


Cubby (05:40):



Barnes (05:40):

Did you lose power this week, Cubby?


Cubby (05:42):

No. The only thing I did as I took our daughter, she's seven months old, me and the wife took her to the beach and she felt the ocean for the first time.


Barnes (05:48):

That's cool.


Cubby (05:48):

But I just want to real quick ask you guys. It was a great moment. We video taped the water.


Barnes (05:52):

Is it screened?


Cubby (05:53):

No. She loved it. She loved it. But my thought is how much I hate the beach. Because I think the beach, there's pool people and there's beach people, and I get it, the beach is beautiful. But isn't the beach a pain in the butt?


Leslie (06:04):

Yeah, I'm a pool person.


Barnes (06:05):

I'm pool people.


Cubby (06:06):

Yeah. There's so much too ... You have to lug so much crap. You have to set up. You have to find a spot. It was a windy day. There's sand blowing. You can't get your lunch. I mean it's just, I don't know why people love the beach so much. I've discovered that I really don't like the beach.


Barnes (06:21):

It is all the things you say. But the people that love it, they just ... I think that they are people that don't care about getting dirty or getting sand in their food.


Leslie (06:31):

I like walking on the beach, but laying out in the sun, no. Give me a float up bar anytime.


Cubby (06:36):

Correct. Correct. Yeah.


Barnes (06:38):

What's weird is, you mentioned your child, when my child who's now 18, we took her to the beach for the first time, she screamed in fear because of the water hitting her. She's checking into college this Tuesday for marine biology.


Leslie (06:50):

That's incredible.


Cubby (06:52):

Look at that. That's great.


Barnes (06:53):

Right, full turn. That'll be my Tuesday going down to check her in. We only get two-hour window. She has two other roommates and they tell you, "You're 9 to 11, you're 11 to 1, you're 1 to 3."


Cubby (07:04):

By the way, how quickly did she turn 18? Because everyone tells me how fast.


Barnes (07:07):

Eighteen years?


Cubby (07:08):

Well, yeah, okay, I get that. But everyone tells me how fast it goes. I'm only seven months into this and it's flying by. Now I get why people say they're going to be 12 before you know it.


Barnes (07:17):

So fast.


Cubby (07:18):

Yeah. It's crazy, right?


Leslie (07:19):

You got to catch all the little things at seven months, seriously. The next three years, you're going to be in fantasy land.


Cubby (07:25):

Right. It's a nonstop.


Barnes (07:26):

Okay. I've gotten blown up so far. We're seven minutes in. Leslie's gotten blown up so far. We have a listener question that might take care of the third. It said, "Hey, Barnes, Leslie, Cubby, do you ever have any outtakes that you don't share with us?"


Cubby (07:40):

Oh, gosh.


Leslie (07:41):



Barnes (07:42):

I thought, "Well, you know what? Yeah?


Leslie (07:44):



Barnes (07:45):

There was one last week.


Leslie (07:46):

The man who takes everything.


Cubby (07:49):

Well, wait, wait, wait a minute. Who are the crosshairs on?


Barnes (07:52):

That would be you.


Cubby (07:53):

Great. Okay.


Barnes (07:55):

Last week ... Now of course, a podcast is a taped show. We taped the show. There's very little editing, but there is a mastering process that makes it. You can actually hear us. We're all three in different locations, New York, Nashville, Atlanta. Sometimes there are segments when I'm editing that I take it out for the purpose. I do it for you, the people, the listener, so you cannot have to listen to stuff that you don't need to. However, I do save those things. Some people suggest that we maybe get a Patreon account where people can hear the unedited version of the show, which there's probably another good 10 to 15 minutes of content that maybe wasn't meant for the show or it can be a little racy or can be a little whatever.


Leslie (08:41):

Not a bad idea.


Cubby (08:41):



Barnes (08:43):

Last week we had a segment talking about, I believe it was ... Cubby you're playing clips of some sort from which ... what was that? Where were you playing clips from?


Cubby (08:56):

Was I doing ...


Barnes (08:57):

[crosstalk 00:08:57] I know. We're doing Netflix.


Cubby (08:58):

We're doing Netflix. Yeah. The Netflix thing. Yeah.


Barnes (09:01):

It was the Netflix thing.


Cubby (09:01):



Barnes (09:01):

You heard how it played out and you can go the last episode. It was very, "Hey, here's ... this is the Netflix sound and here's what it was supposed to be."


Leslie (09:10):

Yeah. The original ... Yes.


Cubby (09:10):

Yeah. The whole ta-dum.


Barnes (09:11):



Cubby (09:12):

We're talking about the different sounds that Netflix was considering and before the ta-dum took effect.


Barnes (09:17):

Here's how that segment played out. Unedited, so you can just hear what it's really like.


Cubby (09:24):

One of the sounds. I want you to see if you know which one it is. Is it A?


Speaker 5 (09:31):

Ladies and gentlemen, please take your seats. The show is about to begin.


Cubby (09:36):

All right. Or is it B? Hold on a second. Where is it? Or is it B? Or is it C? Shit. Or is it C?


Speaker 5 (10:00):

Ladies and ...


Cubby (10:00):

Here we go. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Fuck you guys. Or is it C?


Barnes (10:12):

That's it we're back live.


Cubby (10:16):

Hey, can we play the DropLabs outtake? That was a half hour, I'll take. Your dumb shoes wouldn't get working because you did not hook them up.


Barnes (10:23):

There's nothing funny about that Cubby.


Cubby (10:27):

I will say you did a great job cleaning me up, because I listen back to that. Yeah. I had things all out of order on my computer and it was crazy.


Barnes (10:35):

But listen, the DropLabs was not my problem, it's your headphones.


Cubby (10:37):

No. I know. I know. But I remember we were trying to get it to work properly.


Barnes (10:41):

We don't take attention off of you, Cubby. It is your moment.


Leslie (10:42):

Notice how he immediately ... come on, Cubby. You're the star of this segment.


Barnes (10:47):



Cubby (10:47):

I bow down to you, Steve, thank you for being the edit master.


Barnes (10:50):

But didn't you see? Did you see how that escalated? We now know with Cubby you get about four times to frustrate them and then it's full on "F you guys." I mean, just ...


Cubby (10:59):

I wasn't really mad though. I was saying, jokingly, I know what you guys are thinking, man.


Leslie (11:03):

Was that a dearing? What?


Cubby (11:03):



Leslie (11:06):

That was a dearing F you?


Cubby (11:07):

Because I knew you guys were like, "Come on, man. You're holding us down." I felt like the quarterback and I messed up a play.


Leslie (11:11):

Wait a second. Is that why you spent eight hours editing the show last week, Barnes?


Barnes (11:15):

No. Whenever it makes me laugh ... When I'm editing it, I just thought, "Okay, you know what? Companies do to get a little roasting because he throws out the roasts quite a bit.


Cubby (11:26):

Yeah. Well, that was fun. That was fun. Well, hopefully this will be an edit-free podcast for you.


Leslie (11:33):

Well, let's dive into some celebrity sleeve on ... Oh, there's an [inaudible 00:11:37].


Barnes (11:37):

I don't even ... Hold it. I don't even have to edit this one.


Cubby (11:43):

Just keep editing there, celebrity sleeves.


Barnes (11:45):

Say again. See, ladies and gentlemen, you just witnessed ...


Cubby (11:47):

I have short sleeves on.


Barnes (11:48):

You just witnessed right there. There we go. There's the edit.


Leslie (11:53):

Hell no.


Barnes (11:53):

There is your first little snafu of the show that happened in real time.


Cubby (11:57):

You put pressure on us though, Barnes.


Leslie (11:58):

We're not even having a drink right now.


Cubby (12:00):

We should.


Barnes (12:01):

Maybe. Well, we know that two of us aren't. I can't see your hands, Fram. I'm just saying.


Cubby (12:06):

Celebrity sleeves.


Barnes (12:07):

Try that again.


Leslie (12:07):

Let's dive ...


Barnes (12:08):

Take two.


Leslie (12:10):

Let's dive into some Celebrity Sleaze. Okay. I know that Netflix, we have a lot of stories about Netflix today. But have you guys been watching anything new on Netflix?


Barnes (12:21):



Leslie (12:21):



Barnes (12:22):

I went through the whole Outer Banks, which Heather and I both loved. I know it's geared towards young adults, but we actually liked it.


Cubby (12:30):

It's a reboot, right?


Barnes (12:31):



Cubby (12:32):

Outer Banks?


Barnes (12:32):

I'm joking. Last week, everything was a reboot. Well, there's more. It's really good.


Leslie (12:39):

I will start today because Charles Esten, who's the star, will be on our show next week.


Barnes (12:44):

He is the star. He's the really main adult, and he's good. He's really good. He's from Nashville. I like the show, Nashville.


Leslie (12:52):

Yeah. He was Deacon in Nashville, beloved character, and I will say one of the nicest people you will ever meet.


Barnes (12:58):

Can't wait to talk to him. I have a lot of questions. You both ... do yourself a favor and watch Outer Banks. I'm also watching Bloodline.


Leslie (13:04):

Yeah, I saw Bloodline. I'll give you some news when you finish.


Barnes (13:07):

I'm only three episodes in.


Leslie (13:09):

Okay. But I have some news for you when you finish. A couple of heavy things I want to get out of the way, in Celebrity Sleaze. Obviously, you saw the news, Lori Loughlin and her husband, Fashion Designer, Mossimo, I can't pronounce his last name, were sentenced to two and five months in jail for the college admissions scandal. What happened there? Because originally wasn't he supposed to get four to five years?


Barnes (13:32):

I don't know. Why did he get more than she did?


Leslie (13:34):

I guess he paid more.


Cubby (13:35):

Yeah. I don't know the whole thing. But it's a country club they're going to, guys.


Barnes (13:39):

Oh, yeah.


Cubby (13:40):

I mean ...


Leslie (13:40):



Barnes (13:41):

In fact, he's not going to be doing hard time.


Cubby (13:43):

Look, I would not want to be in there. Don't get me wrong. But they're probably not going to be in there the full-term, I'm guessing. It looks like a country club.


Leslie (13:49):

Yeah. Their apology was very well scripted, too.


Barnes (13:51):

If she's smart, she would make that a reality show because that's the only work she's going to get.


Leslie (13:56):

Potentially. Now the other news is, are you ever a little skeptical when you see a headline from a celebrity, where it's like, "I buried my truth for so long?" You know that something's about to happen. They have a book coming out or ...


Barnes (14:09):



Leslie (14:09):

In this case, it's Paris Hilton and her new documentary. This is Paris, which is going to be September 14, premiering on her YouTube channel. I mean, if this is true, I feel really sorry for her. But the timing is a little skeptical. She was talking about ... and this is the other part of the story where you don't feel sorry for her. Remember when she was growing up, she lived at the Waldorf with her parents. She talked about sneaking out at night and how terrible it was because her parents took her phone away and her credit cards. Then they sent her off to this boarding school and apparently she's saying, the entire time she was at this boarding school, she was bullied and harassed and tortured. Now that school doesn't exist anymore, and no one can verify this. Although a couple of people that went there said the same thing. We'll see. I don't know if you saw this story or you have any thoughts about it.


Barnes (14:58):

I saw the trailer and I don't know what it is. She's done something to herself. She looks much prettier than she did in the height of all this craziness, where I think she was maybe having some work done. I don't know that.


Leslie (15:07):



Barnes (15:07):

But she looks very natural and very depressed.


Leslie (15:11):

Though she says that she's all grown up now and she wants to tell her story.


Cubby (15:15):

I can't believe how long it's been to. Was it 15 ...


Leslie (15:17):

It's been a long ...


Barnes (15:18):

... 15 years ago when the nude pictures are coming out ...


Leslie (15:20):



Barnes (15:20):

Long time.


Cubby (15:21):

... all that stuff? Twenty years ago?


Leslie (15:22):

This is really sad. The headlines about Larry king's two children dying within three weeks of each other. He's like, "It's terrible. When you're a parent, you have to outlive your children." But his son, Andy King died of a heart attack. He was 65. His daughter Chaia King, 51, sadly died. She had lung cancer. Is that terrible, two of his children within a matter of three weeks?


Cubby (15:45):

Really sad.


Leslie (15:47):

I do need some clarification here from the two of you. How do you pronounce this word? It's throuple, throuple?


Barnes (15:54):



Leslie (15:55):

Throuple, like couple?


Barnes (15:58):



Leslie (15:58):

But throuple like a three-some, right?


Barnes (16:00):

You're talking about John Mayer, right?


Leslie (16:01):

Yeah, the John Mayer story.


Barnes (16:02):

Throuple. That's the first I've seen that word in a while.


Leslie (16:04):

Well, apparently the star of Vanderpump Rules, Scheana Shay claims that, yeah, this went on for a really long time. Stacie the bartender from the Hills started going to John's house where a fling started and it went on for about six months.


Barnes (16:20):

He had just discarded Jennifer Aniston and he went that far down?


Leslie (16:23):

Right after Jennifer Aniston. Hello.


Barnes (16:25):

That must have been when he covered the song Free Fallin, too, from Petty. Because he took ... what a lofty journey that is to go from Jennifer Aniston in your bed to a bartender of the Hills.


Cubby (16:36):



Barnes (16:38):



Cubby (16:39):

That's a big drop, right?


Barnes (16:40):



Cubby (16:40):



Leslie (16:41):

Dancing with the Stars apparently having a hard time booking some guests. A lot of people are saying ever since they let go of Tom Bergeron and Erin Andrews and I brought on Tyra Banks because they thought Tyra is going to bring in all these major celebrities. Guess what? It hasn't happened yet.


Barnes (16:58):

Why would they think that? Since when is she the major celebrity getter?


Leslie (17:01):

I guess because she's high fashion, she would bring all these major models and I have no idea. But so far, it's still C and D level folks.


Cubby (17:12):

But that's what that shows made of.


Leslie (17:13):

I know.


Cubby (17:13):

It's been trending that ... No. But actually, I'll admit, early on, they had some pretty big names. I feel it's been trending downward for the last five, six years. I think that makes the show better. Well, if you haven't heard of them?


Barnes (17:24):

No. You've heard of them. But they're in random ... Okay, think of all the ... if you had ... I'm just turning like Beaver from Leave It to Beaver.


Cubby (17:31):

No. I get that. You haven't seen them in a while. Right. Right. Right. I do like those. They had Mrs. Brady on before she passed away, Florence Henderson. That was fun.


Leslie (17:38):

I mean, I've had a couple of friends that have been on that show. Honestly, they said they had a blast doing it. But a lot of times I have no idea who the people are. I have to Google who they are


Cubby (17:47):



Leslie (17:48):

Will Smith, Kevin Hart are going to remake Planes, Trains, and Automobiles.


Cubby (17:53):

I don't like it. Don't mess with the original, man.


Barnes (17:55):

That's a tough one.


Leslie (17:55):

Come on. John Candy, that's tough, and Steve Martin. I don't know. By the way, Simon Cowell is back home, after he cracked his back. But did you see the photos of Dax Shepherd? He had this big motorcycle accident. He was showing all his bruises on Instagram. Oh, severe. I don't know about this. Tiger King, season two is in the works, because Joe Exotic is in jail, but he's the star of it?


Cubby (18:19):

I know but it's brilliant because you might as well just keep feeding off what's already successful, try to figure something out.


Barnes (18:25):

Well, there's been a story for the last six months. It's been happening. The story was season one. All this mayhem happening. Now they closed the zoo down.


Leslie (18:33):

Yeah, I think Petty got to the zoo, because Jeff Lowe announced that Tiger King Zoo is closed immediately.


Cubby (18:39):

When I hear about the Tiger King, I think about the pandemic only because that was the first thing people started talking about when the pandemic started. Does that sound familiar?


Barnes (18:48):

They can think the pandemic.


Cubby (18:49):

Yeah. Yeah. I remember it was March and people were talking about, "If, hey, if we're going to be stuck at home watch Tiger King." That always reminds me of the beginning of this whole thing.


Leslie (18:57):

Finally, who knew that Ryan Reynolds had a gin company? But apparently, Aviation Gin is being bought by this British multinational beverage alcohol company, Diageo. He might walk away with $265 million.


Barnes (19:13):

He was apologizing for that. He has a gin company. Remember, Fram, recently, he had that girl that got all the heat from the Peloton ad do his ad.


Cubby (19:24):



Leslie (19:24):

That's right.


Cubby (19:24):

That was about a year ago.


Barnes (19:25):

Eish. Yeah.


Leslie (19:26):

Who these celebrities with their liquors. I mean, it's pretty insane. They're saying it's a $600 million deal and his portion could be 275. That's a good payday for Ryan Reynolds.


Barnes (19:39):

That really is ...


Leslie (19:39):

That's your Celebrity Sleaze.


Barnes (19:42):

Guys, I was doing some research because a friend of mine is a big fan of Limp Bizkit, and we were going back and forth about Limp Bizkit just being, like I said, Limp Bizkit's okay. They all were, "Oh, no, they were huge. He was huge, blah, blah, blah, blah."


Cubby (19:56):

For a minute.


Barnes (19:57):

For a minute, right. I did some research on bands that have had huge success, but for the most part, people hate them. I want you to know if you agree with any of these. Limp Bizkit, ironically, was number 10 on the list, followed by Fish at number nine. But I get ...


Cubby (20:16):

I don't get the Fish thing.


Leslie (20:17):

I don't either. That was just a mellow jam band.


Barnes (20:20):

I mean I could see where either you like or you don't like the Fish, but they don't seem like a hated band, probably some of the ones coming on your list.


Leslie (20:27):

Like Fred Durst.


Cubby (20:28):

Right. Exactly. Train came in at number eight. Again ...


Barnes (20:31):

Why Train?


Cubby (20:32):

These are bands that have had huge success, but a majority of people really think they're douchebags.


Leslie (20:37):

I didn't ...


Barnes (20:37):

Train is number eight.


Leslie (20:40):

I didn't get that one. Yeah.


Cubby (20:40):

Creed is number seven.


Barnes (20:40):

Now that's a slam dunk.


Leslie (20:46):

Wait a minute. They're not number one?


Cubby (20:46):

We're getting there.


Barnes (20:46):

Well, I bet I can already guess where this is going.


Leslie (20:48):

Like seven ... Creed should be in the top five.


Cubby (20:51):

Well, the funny thing is, I think everybody I'm mentioning here, we've interviewed, and we might have a relationship with a Dave Matthews Band came in number six.


Barnes (20:59):

How? Why do people hate ... Is there any context in these articles, in these lists about why they're hated?


Cubby (21:05):

It all comes down to either their look, for example, Goo Goo Dolls is number five and people think they're perfectly manicured men. Their songs are sappy.


Leslie (21:16):

I don't get it about Dave Matthews Band.


Cubby (21:18):

Number four, now I love this guy, super good dude, Mark McGrath and his band Sugar Ray.


Barnes (21:25):

I can see why they hate him. He's such a nice guy. It's easy to hate people who are succeeding. I mean, he's had a decent career and a few things.


Cubby (21:33):

Yeah. Right now he's a jock on SiriusXM, I believe. He does a show there. But number three, I could care less about, Insane Clown Posse.


Barnes (21:41):

How that get on the list?


Cubby (21:41):



Barnes (21:41):

That seems a random one.


Cubby (21:45):

Because, yeah, I agree because the list is that they are very successful. Now, I know they had an Ok one.


Leslie (21:50):

Yeah. They had a cult following, too.


Cubby (21:52):

Finally, we're down to number two.


Leslie (21:54):



Leslie (21:54):



Leslie (21:55):

Oh, yeah. It's natural.


Cubby (22:00):

Again ...


Leslie (22:01):

Guilty Pleasure.


Cubby (22:02):

They've had a ton of hits?


Leslie (22:03):

I know.


Cubby (22:03):

But the list is people that we're huge, but we don't like them anyway. Can we say number one together? Because we're all thinking it all.


Leslie (22:10):

One, two, three, and then say it.


Barnes (22:13):

You say it and I play it. Ready?


Hosts (22:15):

One, two, three. Nickelback.


Barnes (22:21):

Here is exhibit 3,475. It is torture, this song. Listen to this. They redid The Devil Went Down to Georgia. Listen how awful this is. I mean. What the hell is that?


Barnes (22:41):



Barnes (22:41):

You wonder ...


Cubby (22:45):

They did have huge hits. This was their first hit right here.


Cubby (22:49):



Leslie (22:49):

That was massive.


Barnes (22:52):

I don't mind that song.


Barnes (22:53):



Cubby (22:56):

But all their songs did end up sounding the same, for the most part after that.


Barnes (23:01):

Good list.


Cubby (23:01):



Barnes (23:02):

I have some music for you. Here's a couple of new things this week to be on the lookout for that are going to be ... one of them is going to be taking over TikTok. Everyone's going to be started using it to make TikToks, how smart to make a song called TikTok?


Barnes (23:17):



Barnes (23:18):



Leslie (23:21):

It is.


Barnes (23:23):

Clean Bandit and Mabelle with 24kGoldn.


Cubby (23:26):

I like Clean Bandit.


Barnes (23:28):

Another new one. I love this band. I love everything they put out. They are from Las Vegas. The album is called Imploding the Mirage, which I thought was interesting because immediately I was thinking about all the casinos that they've imploded in Vegas, their hometown. But I don't think the Mirage was one of them. But the Killers have a brand new album.


Barnes (23:47):



Barnes (23:49):

I just love his voice.


Cubby (23:54):

Yeah. He's good.


Barnes (23:54):

Totally. Then here's one. We can't let ... Baha Banks$ has a new one with Chance the Rapper. We can't not play Shake That Ass.


Barnes (24:05):



Barnes (24:07):

Everyone stays ... Check out Chance the Rapper. He's rapping about my car. Listen.


Barnes (24:14):



Leslie (24:14):

Uh-oh. Is your Tesla plugged?


Barnes (24:21):

Yeah. There's you're new Music Bank.


Cubby (24:24):

Well, guys, you always give me a hard time for not bringing in big time guests. I had to, well, pull out the big guns and so Barnes, Leslie, let me introduce you to my buddy, my pal, the nicest guy in the world and a very smart man, Dr. Oz.


Dr. Oz (24:42):

Well, God bless you Cubby.


Barnes (24:42):

Hey Doc.


Dr. Oz (24:44):

How are you all?


Barnes (24:44):

We're huge fan.


Leslie (24:45):

We're so excited.


Dr. Oz (24:46):

I'm so impressed that Cubby looks well rested with a baby in the house. I don't know. How does that work even? I could never pull that off.


Cubby (24:53):

I don't know. It's amazing. It's life-changing. I think the adrenaline actually every day keeps you going and ...


Barnes (25:00):

Hold on. Dr. Oz, The important thing is this is pre, his Jager shots. He does it 5:00. Is that healthy? Let's ask the man.


Dr. Oz (25:08):

I do a Jager shot every day at 5:00 p.m. Actually, sometimes more than one.


Leslie (25:12):

True story, Dr. Oz.


Dr. Oz (25:14):

Well, I'll tell you when my kids were young, I would sign up for extra on call at the hospital, because at least I could get a little sleep there.


Cubby (25:20):

You're right. I know. I know. Yeah. I don't sleep much. But it's all worth it. Again, thank you for joining us. These are my podcast pals Barnes and Leslie, and we just have a few questions for you. I want to catch up and you've been a busy man, I'm sure. I mean, everyone wants to talk to you about COVID-19, correct?


Dr. Oz (25:38):

Right. It's been busy six months of my life. It's also been frustrating at times, and exhilarating at others, because one of the problems you run into oftentimes in life is that you have inadequate information. As a doctor, you often got to go talk to a patient when you don't know 100% what the right decision is because there's no data on it. That's how this entire six months is often felt. We have some directionally correct ideas, but we ended up changing our minds and lot of other issues like masks. That's been very frustrating for the public. But, you're right. I'm getting called a lot just to try to offer advice that I give to my own family, because at this point, that's the most valuable advice.


Barnes (26:12):

Dr. Oz How do you even have time in the day? This is an honest question from being a publisher of books, a man of television, an actual doctor, an actual surgeon, how do you find time to actually practice surgery and medicine?


Dr. Oz (26:28):

Well, I've always dedicated one day a week that I go to the hospital, participate in our grand rounds, do procedures, see patients. In fact, right now I'm studying for my boards, because every five years you have to get re-up to make sure you're staying up-to-date in health information. But I also have great partners at the hospital. Now, as you know, I'm at Columbia University in New York Presbyterian Hospital here in the city. It's easy for me to go to the studio a couple days a week, and then just, instead of turning right to go downtown and go turn left to go uptown to the hospital, and the routine has always maintained me.


Dr. Oz (27:02):

I got to say, early on when I was talking Oprah about where to tape the show, one of the reasons you wanted to be in New York so I could keep practicing because I felt that ideally, we'd be ... putting in television. what I do every day taking care of patients, if I could just take that same, in honesty, and just translate it to your home, then you'd actually be able to learn a lot about what your doctors wants to tell you, but doesn't have time to tell you. It makes you a smarter patient. In fact, it makes you a world expert on your own body, which you really should be.


Leslie (27:31):

Dr. Oz, there's been so many questions about testing for COVID-19. A lot of the people that are listening now, I am really curious about the false negatives that are happening. You broke it down. I follow you on Instagram and Twitter, you broke it down. How is that happening? If you do get a negative test, but still have the symptoms, should you go back and be retested? It's so confusing.


Dr. Oz (27:53):

Well, let me simplify a little bit by entering the second part of that question with affirmative. Yes, you have to go get tested again if you have symptoms. If you're coughing, and having a fever, or feeling lethargy, or having intestinal problems, and you have a negative test, you still have to suspect COVID-19, go get tested again. Here's why. Until recently, a lot of the tests required you to put the little probe that the Q-Tip with the very back of your nose. The cotton swab is uncomfortable. I don't know if you guys have been tested, but I get tested at the hospital, your eyes water. It's not very pleasant. To take it easy on you, instead of leaving that cotton swab back there for 10 seconds, which is the official protocol, they just get near it. Well, that's not the same thing.


Dr. Oz (28:35):

If I'm swabbing the outside of your nose versus deep inside your nose where it feels it's in your brain. You may not pick up the virus which is primarily to back your throat. That's why this recent information, which I want to thank the NBA and their Commissioner Adam Silver for, because they participated in examining this. The CDC has just approved a saliva tests. The reason that's important is you don't just spit a little bit of stuff, you actually collect sputum from the back of your throat deep in your lungs, and go, like that, right? Spit it into this cup. That's actually a very accurate way of getting it. It's not perfect. But getting a sample of sputum that's pretty stable can be tested the next day or the day after. You'll learn very quickly if you're positive or negative. Because you know that it's not uncomfortable, you don't mind doing it a lot.


Barnes (29:21):



Dr. Oz (29:21):

Most people now agreed, the better way of screening America is to do lots of tests and assume the first one may not be perfect, but if you do two tests, one of them is going to be right.


Cubby (29:31):

What is your biggest concern Dr. Oz, fall going into winter? What is your biggest concern with this? Are we in the first wave still, or the second wave, and no one really knows


Barnes (29:40):

Is it halftime?


Cubby (29:41):



Dr. Oz (29:43):

it's about halftime, actually. But we're still in the first wave. You're still in the first half. We saw ... What happened in New York spread to the south. Actually, many times it was New Yorkers literally going to the south and carrying the virus with them, maybe not the Arizona, and that allowed the virus to continue to prosper when it shouldn't have. My biggest concern, to answer your first question, is nihilism, is this belief we're never going to get ahead of this, it's going to keep haunting us, it's going b torturing us. There's so many positive bits of information that it makes me feel pretty confident that we're going to be able to whip this in a timely fashion.


Dr. Oz (30:13):

Here they are. Ready? First off, the recent data from Europe, about a third of us may have what are called killer T-cells. Our immune system is made up of antibodies. You all know about those. They're little foot soldiers ready to attack the virus. But you also have these memory cells, these T-cells in your body. If you had the common cold last year, the year before, your body may have recalled that a corona virus causes the common cold, oftentimes, and it's close enough to the current COVID-19 virus that you're actually protected. That means, think about this, a third of the population may not be prone to getting the bad infection or infected at all. Then you have in places like New York City, where I am, you got a 20% incidents, maybe people have already been infected, that gets you about 50% of the population. Now you're approaching herd immunity numbers. It means the second wave won't be as bad as we would otherwise have feared.


Dr. Oz (30:59):

Second big Information, 70% of Americans ... are you wearing a mask? A mask is a big ... although early on, didn't appreciate how powerful it was. We now recognize. I spoke into the COVID taskforce, the White House Task Force on this. All these experts are saying the same thing, the mask tames this virus. It makes it behave like the flu instead of COVID-19. That's why we're seeing a dramatic reduction in cases in the south now and across the country.


Dr. Oz (31:24):

All these are positives. We have weapons we can use, like the mask, we've got general biology supporting us, and then there's few other factors. Our medical management has dramatically improved. Only half the number of people go to the ICU is used to in the early days of COVID-19, and then finally the vaccine. Which all the early data supporting its efficacy, so we think it's going to work. We'll have a lot of data probably by November, December giving people confidence that we can actually mass vaccinate people, if they want to get vaccinated, no one's going to force you. But if you want to get vaccinated and be part of the herd immunity to protect America, you can get your vaccine. We're going to have to wait till January, February probably to do that because you want you give enough months of tens of thousands of people experiencing the vaccine to make sure it's safe that the average American, the average person listening to your show right now can say, "You know what? I get it. It works and it seems to be safe enough. Nothing is perfect. But it's safe enough. I'm going to go ahead and get it."


Barnes (32:14):

What do you think, Dr. Oz, though the conversation centering around this vaccine that at some point will be here, you're going to find companies and places just like they're requiring mask? Don't you think were they're going to say, "Look, if you're going to come back to work, you have to have the vaccine." But then that opens up the conversation politically. It opens up the safety conversation, all of this starts going sideways. How do you think everyone's going to react to that and work through it?


Dr. Oz (32:40):

I think forcing people to get a vaccine will be a horrible error.


Barnes (32:44):

People are going to.


Dr. Oz (32:46):

There may be some, but as to your point you made, energetically, it changes the entire equation. The argument needs to be here's the five reasons that you don't want to get the vaccine, and here are the five reasons that those arguments are wrong, just deal with it head on. Face-to-face, because you talk through it, and some people will never change their mind. But most people I have found will, as long as you actually confront the arguments that are being made without ... behind the scenes, often on social media that scares people and convinces people it's unwise.


Dr. Oz (33:20):

By the way, we got to get the data. I'm not just going to pretend that I know it's safe. We don't know that yet. Let's see what the data shows over different age groups, different genders, different races, African-Americans are very resistant to vaccines and these therapies because there's a history of African-Americans being used in experiments, and they weren't consented into. There's hesitation. Let's just deal with those issues. Get it out there. Then people who want to get vaccinated, they can.


Dr. Oz (33:43):

But let me go through the numbers here. You need about 60% to 70% of people protected one way or the other in order to have herd immunity. You don't have to have 100% of people get vaccinated. It will be nice if the vaccine is safe and effective for that to happen. But the 100% is a hard number. But if most people get vaccinated, or they've been exposed and did ... say, recovered or they have past years exposure to the common cold, and protected from that, then we'll cobble together a coalition of people who won't get the virus. That's how we'll create barriers.


Dr. Oz (34:13):

I would emphasize for people who are vulnerable, older people, people chronic conditions like obesity, diabetes, hypertension, people in nursing homes, they really ought to get the vaccine. If it works for them, we have to prove it. It could be a game-changer because those people aren't getting sick. Remember 95% of the people went to the hospital were those category of people, then the rest of us don't have that big a deal with the virus. Young people don't seem to have a big problem. I'm not going to bang my head into the wall vaccinating every five-year-old in America.


Leslie (34:41):

What about with flu season coming up? Because there's some people who never take a flu shot, but now coupled with COVID-19, what's your recommendation on that, because it's worrying a lot of people?


Dr. Oz (34:52):

Well, the flu shots have been around for a long time. I've gotten 20 years worth of flu shots. I don't think the danger is a massive issue. There are some people still they're going to be hesitant, I get that. But for the average American, that's low-lying fruit. I think getting the flu vaccine means that if you get a fever lethargy, in the middle of December, you won't be fearful it's actually COVID-19. You won't be going through all the extra testing. You won't be worried about side-effects, or lying on your back for two or three weeks. I think this might be the good year to get your flu vaccine. A lot of facilities are going to start offering it early, so that you can get ... first in line and get protected.


Cubby (35:26):

See, my fear is going back to later this year is a bad collision between COVID-19 spiking and a bad flu season, because that could ultimately fill hospitals up. Is that a concern?


Dr. Oz (35:39):

Very much of a concern. For the flu is not a benign process. We probably have 30, 40,000 people a year die. Last year the more children died of the flu than died of COVID-19. It's not a benign process. You're marching the war with the army you've got. We have a vaccine for the flu, take it. Removed that is one of the problems that might land you on your back for a week. Again, I do it anyway because I'm in the hospital. I don't want to give patients who are already sick the flu. But think about that for your own families. If you can protect yourself, you guys are all good. Once this eases up a little bit more, you guys are exposed to a lot of people. You're in media. Why take a chance? I mean you can continue to enjoy your job, keep entertain your fan base, and keep your family safe all at the same time by getting, at least, I, helping that process, by getting a flu shot I will take it.


Barnes (36:30):

What's weird now, and my wife is guilty of this, every time anything hurts, I've got coronavirus. I need to go get ... You know what I mean? There are other things that make you ...


Dr. Oz (36:40):

That happened to me last week. It was three days in a row I was more tired than usual, all day long. I thought, "Oh my god, I got to bed."


Barnes (36:45):

It's in your head?


Dr. Oz (36:46):

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.


Barnes (36:46):

Everyone thinks, "Oh, I've got coronavirus." I mean, it just keeps happening. You can get sick from other things. I mean, come on.


Dr. Oz (36:54):

It messes with your head. I think this is a bigger theme in America. A lot of people are scared and you don't want to go through life in fear. It's not a good way to make decisions. This is not just about COVID-19. In life in general, you don't want to make decisions with a pure emotional driver of fear, because we're better than that. We're strong enough to do it differently. Yeah. You're fatigued for three days could be COVID-19. But it's probably not.


Cubby (37:17):



Barnes (37:18):

What's the biggest question you get besides COVID-19, obviously, from when you're ... because you're such a people person? When people engage with you, what do they ask you?


Cubby (37:26):

Actually, can I chime in on that, Barnes?


Barnes (37:28):



Cubby (37:28):

Because before COVID-19, I would ask Oz about hemorrhoids and stuff. I got hemorrhoid, what do I do? Things have totally changed in the last six months.


Dr. Oz (37:36):

Well, the number one question I still get is, "What does Cubby really like?"


Cubby (37:40):

Shut up.


Leslie (37:41):

I ask that often.


Barnes (37:42):

It's hemorrhoids and you're Meister


Dr. Oz (37:45):



Barnes (37:45):

It's easy.


Dr. Oz (37:46):

It's all right here.


Cubby (37:46):

But that isn't the question, Barnes. What question do you get the most probably outside of COVID?


Dr. Oz (37:50):

What can I do to live my best life, to be able to thrive in a world where I don't seem to have any control? I always people, "Listen, part of the reason I went into health is because the only person who can control your health is you." Interestingly, it applies to COVID-19. But everything is, well, one of the best ways to avoid complications of COVID-19 is to lose weight, which, Cubby, I'm done beautifully. You'd have lots of people who don't appreciate how much resilience they truly have. They also don't appreciate the importance of us to each other. Because what's been the safety net for humanity is each other, is us.


Dr. Oz (38:27):

We're designed to be intimate social creatures. Our brain got the size they are, not to go hunting. You'd go hunting with a walnut-sized brain. We have a large prefrontal cortex. We can look at each other and assess visual cues. But even equally importantly, auditory cues are hugely important. The subtle timbre of your voice, how you said things, rather than what you said, that's why music is so important to us. What you do is so critical, because people are hearing you and processing all kinds of subtle elements that you may not even know you're conveying, but it's truthfully there. I tell people remember, you're like a raindrop falling into the ocean of humanity. Never forget that you have huge power if we do it in numbers.


Leslie (39:05):

I love the health tips that you give. One thing I did want to ask you, because Barnes and Cubby gave me a hard time about this a couple of weeks ago. I bought this thing on Amazon. It's a WeFit, and it's this gallon water jug. It has little inspirational sayings every two hours starting at 7:00 a.m. to force me to drink water because I would never drink water during the day. Now I'm drinking a gallon a day. What is your recommendation on drinking water? Is that too much, a gallon a day that I'm drinking?


Dr. Oz (39:35):

But my daughter has what you have. I was giving her a hard time about it because I said, "The amount of water you drink really does depend on how much you sweat and how much you exercise." The general rule of thumb is you should be able to read through your urine. You should be hydrated well enough that when you pee, it's relatively clear. If you ... Don't actually do this, by the way, Cubby, so literal.


Cubby (39:57):

I was trying. You got a book? I had Judy Blume's Superfudge ready to go.


Dr. Oz (40:02):

Yes. Exactly. I get Mad Magazine. Reading through Mad Magazine through your urine, right, like getting a wet, that's the kind of ... but that's actually the best test now. There's no harm with doing a gallon a day. But you don't have to have a gallon a day and it might be the three-quarters of nowadays fine for you. If you look down your urine is dark color, Coca-Cola colored or darker than that golden yellow, then you're not hydrated well enough.


Barnes (40:24):

I have that same jug but I filled it with Diet Coke. Is a gallon a Diet Coke too much a day, Dr. Oz?


Dr. Oz (40:30):

So bad. I have strong feelings about diet sodas. There's no free lunch. I guess, here's the problem with diet sodas. The artificial sweeteners in there are several hundred times sweeter than sugar. They've never been shown to help you diet. Quite the opposite. They are linked to chronic metabolic illnesses, not probably because of the drink itself, but because people who are drinking it are prone to those problems. But your brain is so smart, that it's looking for nutrients.


Cubby (40:54):

He's drinking a Diet Coke as you're talking about.


Leslie (40:56):

I know. I just saw that.


Dr. Oz (40:58):

I saw. I could see it. I mean, I know you're describing it for the listener. But it's embarrassing. Yeah. Get a screenshot of that.


Barnes (41:03):

Okay. Well, is iced tea the same?


Dr. Oz (41:06):

No. Real drinks with a real sugar, I feel are better than diets drink. If you have iced tea with it ... But think about this, how much sugar do you need to put in a drink? If normally the soft drinks have a teaspoon per cc, per ounce, there's a lot of sugar. If you just put a one full teaspoon of sugar into a tea, it will taste sweet enough, and that's 16 calories. It's not 130 or 160 calories. It's 13 calories or 15 calories is not much.


Barnes (41:39):

I need to stop.


Dr. Oz (41:39):

Yeah. [crosstalk 00:41:40] easier way to go.


Cubby (41:41):

I had an issue like Barnes. I had Diet Coke all the time, four or five a day. I switched to seltzer. I still get that fizz feeling and a little bit of flavor. But it's healthy. It's zero, zero, zero all across the board here.


Barnes (41:53):

I need to stop. I need to stop.


Dr. Oz (41:55):

Yeah. They have these flavored fizzy drinks now which I like, too. I think you're right Cubby. That's the way to do it. You tickle your tongue, which is a lot of the soft drink beverage experience is about. You don't need all those artificial tastes in there. Then, if you want sugar, add sugar.


Barnes (42:08):

Yeah. I can see I got confronted by Dr. Oz. I've got to put down ... why'd you stop drinking Dr. Coke ... Dr. Coke ... Diet Coke, because Dr. Ross said so. Dr. Oz, when all this hysteria, and I mean your career started when Oprah put you to the forefront, did you ever think ... I mean, were you targeting that, or did you just end up in it? When you started your media career, and in your enterprise, and then you met Oprah? I don't know how you met Oprah. But then she really started cheerleading you. You were a guest, what, 500 times or something on her show? Did you think it would ever be this type of thing?


Dr. Oz (42:47):

Not only did I not think it was possible. It wasn't on my vision board. I hazard to say that if I had desired that career media, it would not have worked with Oprah. I'll tell you very briefly how this all came down. It was my wife's, by the way, like many relationships. I will just put my shoulder to the millstone, where we're working in the salt mine of New York, Presbyterian Columbia. I go to work every morning, operating all day, and come home exhausted. My wife was after a while sick and tired of my whining about the fact that so many of my patients could have avoided the need for me to heal them with steel, literally taking a bandsaw to their chest to open up to do heart surgery. If only they had understood a few basic tips about general health, losing weight, dealing with their diabetes, managing their blood pressure, all these things we talked about the show all the time.


Dr. Oz (43:35):

In the course of that, she said, "Why don't we make sure together," because my wife is ... remember those Visine commercials, the bloodshot eyes?


Leslie (43:40):



Dr. Oz (43:41):

Those are my wife's eyes. She understood the power of media. She understood the remarkable ability of you guys to change people's minds. She said, "Let's going to make the show." I made I made a show for Discovery Channel. It was a series actually of 13 episodes called Second Opinion. My wife produced them. My first guest, Oprah Winfrey. She came on because Gayle King was just a wonderful human being said, "Oprah, what this guy's trying to do is important. Give him a time of day. You're going to be in New York, and whatever day it was, just let him have half an hour, 20 minutes even." She's already in hair and makeup to get her own magazine cover taken. We ended up talking for hours. We really hit it off. She's a great teacher, a great educator, not just for America, but for me. We call Oprah University.


Dr. Oz (44:25):

Those of us who are privileged to work on her show with her that she's shared stuff with you. For example, as a doctor, I figured if I gave you the facts, you're going to change, obviously. I'm telling you to stop smoking, you can have heart attack, you will stop smoking. Wrong. It doesn't work in personal life, doesn't work in medicine, or anywhere else.


Dr. Oz (44:42):

Oprah said, and she's right, "People do not change based on what they know. They change based on how they feel," Get people to feel differently about stopping cigarettes or whatever the problem is, wearing a mask for COVID. They feel differently about it, then they'll do it. That was the beginning of my years working with her. Then she launched me on my career because Parker Lee [inaudible 00:45:03] conspired, and said, "Listen, you have the ability to make a show, I'll support you. But you got to go out there and tell everyone as honestly as you can stuff that they're not hearing from the healthcare system now. America is not taking care of themselves, because we haven't given them the advice in a way that empowers them." That was the birth of the show.


Dr. Oz (45:20):

I think, although, maybe not ... looking back at it years later, you guys know but I got a Hollywood star this month. I mean, that happens and it's like a dream. I'm pinching myself, because it was never ... no heart surgeon wants to get a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. celebrate. I can


Cubby (45:34):

Where's it located?


Dr. Oz (45:36):

It's in Hollywood. I don't know where it is yet. We haven't ... COVID-19 I can't celebrate.


Barnes (45:40):

[crosstalk 00:45:40] even a see star.


Dr. Oz (45:40):

I wanted to know the exact treat, so I can get a picture.


Cubby (45:44):

But nobody's want to do that.


Dr. Oz (45:45):

You're coming.


Leslie (45:46):

Dr. Oz. I didn't realize this until this morning that you are on TikTok. Has Dr. Oz is on TikTok, when did that start?


Dr. Oz (45:56):

Well, my show was in China and my show is in 100 countries. China, the parent company of TikTok is called Daojin. I've got hundreds of thousands of followers on that portal. The trend to across over the TickTok was pretty straightforward. TikTok is wonderful if you want to get the message out without a lot of ads to a younger generation, and they actually care a lot about health.


Dr. Oz (46:19):

People care about health four times in their life, when they go through puberty, that's why the TikTok generation cares about it, when they go through menopause, that's why the show works because every woman from 35 to 60 thinks she's in menopause, and many times they are, when you're going through a health crisis, and when you're pregnant. Those are the four times you care. Pretty much throughout your life, there are opportunities for people to come into the health arena and then go back out again. Twenty-five-year-old men don't care about health unless it's related to sports. You've got to find your way to talk to them about health.


Dr. Oz (46:47):

But there's a huge audience that are experiencing health issues in their lives. It's not bad, critical illnesses, things ... puberty is not an illness. But crazy things are happening to your body. You want to understand them. I think a TikTok on how to take care of a pimple, and by don't pop them. Now, there's a whole strategy for doing this, then you'll watch.


Cubby (47:07):

Now listen, Dr. Oz, I want to ask you a quick a quick question. You made me feel a lot better. My daughter was born on January 27th. You're one of the first people to text me. I said, "Everything is great. My daughter is healthy, but she was born with a cleft palate." You wrote back, "Easy fix," and that made me feel a lot better. The surgery is planned in a couple of months. For those who don't know, a cleft palate, you can't see it visually, unless you look inside the mouth on the roof of her mouth. You can see her nasal passages if you look in the roof of her mouth. But it's not a cleft lip or anything. It's in the inside. My question is, I've read about it, I still don't understand how they repair a cleft palate. Is it skin graft? Do you even know that answer? I know you know everything.


Dr. Oz (47:52):

Yeah. It depends on how wide it is. There's sometimes you do use skin grafts. But oftentimes you can mobilize the tissue well enough just to close it. Remember, the only reason that you have to fix a cleft palate is so that it helps with phonation, to be able to pronounce the letters of the alphabet more effectively. She'll speak without an impairment. People have cleft lips, which is more severe version of this condition, there's a significant cosmetic element that you need to fix as well, and that's a bit more dicey.


Dr. Oz (48:23):

But what your daughter is going to go through is not nearly as challenging. I also want to emphasize that you don't do it too early because you don't do anything to a young baby. You just want to do it before they start making words, so she'll never know the difference.


Cubby (48:35):

Yeah. The problem is she can't ... the bottle she can't suck because she doesn't have that suction ability with no roof of her mouth. We have to help her with bottles and stuff like that. But it's comforting to know that it's an easy fix, because it's scary, really ...


Barnes (48:48):

That is scary.


Dr. Oz (48:49):

Every child is born with little things you don't know about, and you just discover them, and it's ... everyone gets worried about it because moms feel the child is the fifth limb. They're especially. Then nothing happens to that child without you viscerally feeling it. Thankfully, I think oftentimes the most dangerous thing for the child is the anxiety of the parents, not the actual problem the child is facing. That's the one thing we really dealt well with in medicine is being to manage these kinds of common problems.


Barnes (49:15):

Dr. Oz, I'm a huge fan of yours, as I mentioned at the beginning, and with fame comes tough territory sometimes. I mean, I know that you are a big entity now. But when you get these other doctors and other people trashing you just because you've had fame as a doctor beyond just the operating room and on television and books, is that tough to deal with? I mean, these guys ... everyone's got a tear everyone down who has success. I think you give great information. I'm not a doctor. I don't know what you're saying is completely accurate because I don't know. I trust you and you're a trusting guy.


Dr. Oz (49:53):

It comes with the territory. Listen, I divide people in two categories. There are folks that are attacking you because they're embittered about something that has nothing to do with me. I hear it, of course, it hurts. But I don't think at the heart. Then there are people who say things sometimes quite harsh, where they got a point. You got to differentiate those two. To blindly think that I got everything figured out and everyone's criticizing me is jealous is a big error. Respecting the one, the opinions, and differentiating the opinions that are said for positive benefit to me is an important point. We spent a lot of time in the show doing just that, identifying which are the messages that are being sent to us that we got to really respond to, because this person making a great argument about why shouldn't be saying X, Y, Z. Those the ones I listen to.


Dr. Oz (50:39):

Listen, if you're in the public eye, you better be responsive to the public. Because if you're ignoring what people are observing about you, sometimes it's not even that I'm saying the wrong things. I'm saying it in the wrong way. If I'm misspeaking about something, I need to address that because people get the wrong impression of what the truth is, and it's still my fault for not making it clear enough.


Barnes (50:58):

It just seems like other doctors Just dissect and look for one little thing that you say that they can grandstand on just in the end trying to get their own publicity. It's just a weird thing.


Dr. Oz (51:08):

You know what? I tell you, if they weren't paid attention that will be worse. I'd much rather argue about whether the vaccine is safe or not, than never have a discussion. In America, what liberal democratic society is built on is our ability to tell the truth to each other. They not always get along but still be okay about that. That's what the American tribe is about. We built this nation on our ability to speak sometimes with harshness towards each other.


Dr. Oz (51:35):

Listen, in the hospital, every Thursday my hospital, we have what's called M&M conference. I do it after every show as well. It's morbidity and mortality conference. M&M. We're supposed to go in there and explain why our patient died. Now, if it's not my fault, does the patient's family care? Not really. Does the next patient's family care? Not really. They want to know what you do differently, so doesn't happen again. The questions that are asked are not kind, soft, cuddly questions. But then I ask in the questions to hurt me, they're asking the questions to debate what was the right thing to do, because you won't figure out how to improve what you're doing otherwise. This is the most sensitive thing about making my show.


Dr. Oz (52:13):

When I go back up to the control room afterwards, and we have everyone around me, and we're saying, "Okay, what could we have done better?" Sometimes I should be more complimentary because I've got a team I'm so proud of that really protects me and does a great job making entertaining television that's educational. But there's almost always something we could have done better. It's sometimes it's me. I didn't ask the question the right way. You didn't write the question the right way. We logged meeting at the camera angle, the demonstration didn't explode with enough exuberance, whatever it could be. We talked about that. Usually there's something we could have done better. Remember it next time around we improve.


Leslie (52:47):

Dr. Oz, you do have a lot going on. But at the end of the day, what do you do to unwind? I mean, are you binging on a Netflix show? What does Dr. Oz do to really unwind and take a deep breath at the end of the day?


Dr. Oz (53:02):

Well, it actually starts the beginning of the day. My morning is very regimented. I get up and I work out and actually relax when I work out, because I watch something that I like to ... I'm watching the Last Kingdom right now, is an example. But whatever you happen to ... I look forward to getting up and working out in the morning. Then about an hour after I've started working out, whatever ... I have a whole different bunch of things I do, but I finished working out and I just feel like my whole day is wide open in front of me. I also know and I see bright light in the morning, I'm really dependent on light. I know that about 16 hours later, I'm going to get really tired, which is good time. Good thing because it's nighttime time to go to bed. I work aggressively asleep to make sure that I don't ever sacrifice it.


Dr. Oz (53:41):

But the most relaxing thing that I do is to have a meal with the family. The kids know they can play on technology, especially during COVID-19, they're my tech support. They run the prompter, hair and makeup, and my wife picks up my wardrobe, everyone has a job. They all have been chipping in. But to be able to speak to them about stuff that matters and witness how they process it and develop their own iterations of it, that's been the biggest blessing of all. I think most parents would probably agree that that's a positive part of this experience.


Cubby (54:11):

One last medical question and I speak for millions of Americans, you've already solved COVID, herpes, or whatever it is yet. What was it?


Leslie (54:20):



Cubby (54:21):

Hemorrhoids. Yeah. It was hemorrhoids. I was wiping my butt and I saw a blood and I got nervous.


Leslie (54:23):

No. Way too much.


Barnes (54:24):

Yeah. Too much.


Cubby (54:25):

No. But it's true. He said it's just a hemorrhoid, ended up being just a hemorrhoid ...


Leslie (54:28):



Cubby (54:28):

... on ledge.


Barnes (54:30):

He sent you photos.


Cubby (54:31):

Stop. Okay. My question is, and I've tried everything for nine months, plantar fasciitis, I've done AmnioFix, I've done the ice, the rolling on the ice bottle, everything, can't fix it. What do I do?


Dr. Oz (54:47):

Actually, I'll give you a low tech and high tech solution. On the low tech side, I think a lot of people don't realize that by the time you've stepped on your foot the first time you've already torn the plantar fascia. You have to have a very aggressive stretch in your bed before you pressurize, because otherwise you pull the tendon off that little bone, the back of the foot where the tear actually is. If that doesn't work ... That takes weeks for this to be effective. But if that doesn't work, then I strongly encourage you to try PRP. It has been beneficial for some. Sometimes doesn't work the first time. But ...


Barnes (55:22):

Is that the bloodshake?


Dr. Oz (55:22):



Barnes (55:24):

They're reinjected. That's what my guy was just saying we should do.


Dr. Oz (55:26):

Yeah. That's what you should do.


Leslie (55:28):

Barnes, your own personal advice from Dr. Oz. That's impressive.


Barnes (55:31):

I know.


Cubby (55:31):

That will be $500.


Barnes (55:34):

Do you think AmnioFix is a good thing? A lot of people have asked me about that since I did it.


Dr. Oz (55:38):

I don't know.


Barnes (55:38):



Dr. Oz (55:39):

I don't know enough about it. A lot a lot of these therapies have not been well enough tested for anyone to opine on them. But this social miserable problem as you're experiencing that it's worth trying different things. Unfortunately, I doubt one solution works for everybody. But if you try enough solution as well, will work for you.


Barnes (55:54):

All right. Dr. Oz, it's been a pleasure. I know you don't do podcasts normally and your connection with Cubby made it happen. Thank you very much. It was fantastic to have you.


Cubby (56:02):

Thank you for doing this.


Dr. Oz (56:02):

By the way, the reason I don't do podcasts is I have so many friends who have great ones. I just don't have enough time in the day. I broke the rule for Cubby. Now I'm probably going to get an avalanche by hate mail for my friends. My other friends.


Cubby (56:13):

No. I really, really appreciate it. It means so much. I want to thank your team and you. This helps a lot. I mean ...


Leslie (56:18):

This was incredible.


Cubby (56:19):

It's amazing. I love you brother.


Leslie (56:21):

Thank you so much.


Cubby (56:22):

You're a quality guy, you have great team. Congratulations on all your success. Take care.


Barnes (56:26):

Thanks Doc.


Leslie (56:26):

Thank you.


Speaker 1 (56:27):

This is Cubby's pop culture throwback. A rewind into the vault of music, movies, and moments.


Cubby (56:38):

All right, guys, where were you around this time in 2005? The week of August 24th, 2005. Do you remember?


Barnes (56:47):

Yeah, Atlanta.


Leslie (56:47):



Cubby (56:49):

ATL. You were listening to the songs, number one song on the Pop Chart this week in 2005 was Mariah Carey, We Belong Together.


Cubby (56:59):



Speaker 1 (57:04):

I believe it was number one for 15 weeks. It was crazy.


Speaker 1 (57:10):



Barnes (57:11):

Leslie, are you a Toby Keith fan?


Leslie (57:12):

Yes, I like Toby.


Cubby (57:14):

Number one song in the country this week in 2005 was As Good As I Once Was.


Cubby (57:28):



Speaker 1 (57:28):

By the way, his net worth is over 500 million.


Barnes (57:31):

What? Really?


Leslie (57:32):

He has lot of investments, a lot of investments. Smart guy.


Barnes (57:36):

Is he still active?


Leslie (57:37):

Yeah. He lives in Oklahoma.


Cubby (57:38):

Wow. All right. The number song on the Modern Rock Charts this week in 2005 ... I want to talk about the ... what we call in the business, the hook of the song. Because I remember when I was working at Z100, we would put this song in research and we never knew what the hook was. Because there were several different parts of the song that people liked. It was Feel Good Inc by the Gorillaz.


Cubby (57:56):



Cubby (58:01):

Now, this is the part I've seen the most. But there's so many other parts of the song.


Barnes (58:07):

I think it's coming up right here.


Cubby (58:09):

Where the beat comes in?


Barnes (58:10):

No way, not here.


Barnes (58:17):



Barnes (58:17):

Keep going.


Barnes (58:18):



Barnes (58:18):

Right here. Right here.


Barnes (58:24):



Cubby (58:24):

You think that's the most right there?


Barnes (58:32):



Cubby (58:32):

See, he switched it man many times, even the beginning, like dern, dern, dern, dern, dern.


Leslie (58:37):

That was a familiar part, too. I love Damon Albarn so much.


Barnes (58:40):

Did Gorillaz just put something new out in the last six months?


Leslie (58:43):

I think so.


Barnes (58:45):

I think they did.


Cubby (58:47):

What were we listening to on the R&B charts? Well, it was the same song that was number one on the pop charts.


Cubby (58:54):



Leslie (58:54):

That's so funny.


Cubby (58:58):

We Belong Together is number one on those charts.


Leslie (59:00):

Crossing Over.


Cubby (59:00):

Yeah. The number one movie this week in 2005 was ... well, I'll play you the probably the most famous clip from this movie. There's several different quotes that people love. But here's one of my faves.


Andy (59:10):

No! Kelly Clarkson!


Cubby (59:13):

40-Year-Old Virgin.


Barnes (59:15):

That's been that long?


Cubby (59:16):

Yeah, 15 years ago this week, number one at the box office.


Leslie (59:18):



Cubby (59:19):

Finally, do you know this TV theme, because people were watching it this week in 2005? Check this out. This is the theme two, Desperate Housewives.


Leslie (59:37):

Yes. Yes.


Cubby (59:38):

I never watched it. You Barnes?


Barnes (59:40):

Never did. But, man, that thing got huge.


Cubby (59:43):

It was massive this week in 2005.


Barnes (59:46):

All right. Please rate, review, and subscribe. Thank you to Dr. Oz and we look forward to Charles Esten. He plays Ward Cameron on Outer Banks from Netflix. It's one of their biggest shows of the year. Can't wait to have him on next week. Have a great week.



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Dr. Oz

Dr. Mehmet Oz has won ten Daytime Emmy® Awards for “The Dr. Oz Show” and is an Attending Physician at NY Presbyterian-Columbia Medical Center. He still performs dozens of heart operations annually. His research interests include heart replacement surgery, minimally invasive surgery, alternative medicine and healthcare policy. He has authored over 400 original publications, book chapters, and medical books, has received numerous patents, and still performs heart surgery. He also authors a newspaper column syndicated by Hearst in 175 markets internationally.

Dr. Oz was born in Cleveland, Ohio, raised in Delaware and received his undergraduate degree from Harvard University (1982) and obtained a joint MD and MBA (1986) from the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine and Wharton Business School. He was awarded the Captain’s Athletic Award for leadership in college and elected Class President twice followed by President of the Student Body during medical school. He lives in Northern New Jersey with his wife Lisa of 32 years and their four children, Daphne, Arabella, Zoe and Oliver and four grandchildren Philomena, John, Domenica, and Giovanna.

Previously, Dr. Oz was a featured health expert on “The Oprah Winfrey Show” for six seasons, spanning over 60 episodes. He also served as chief medical consultant to Discovery Communications, where his “Transplant!” series won both a Freddie and a Silver Telly award. He also served as medical director of Denzel Washington’s “John Q” and performed in the hip-hop video “Everybody” as part of the Let’s Move Campaign.

Dr. Oz authored eight New York Times Best Sellers, including “Food Can Fix It”, “YOU: The Owner’s Manual”, “YOU: The Smart Patient”, “YOU: On a Diet”, “YOU: Staying Young”, “YOU: Being Beautiful”, “YOU: Having a Baby”, “YOU: The Owner’s Manual for Teens”, as well as the award-winning “Healing from the Heart”. He has a regular column in Oprah Magazine and his article “Retool, Reboot, and Rebuild” for Esquire magazine was awarded the 2009 National Magazine Award for Personal Service. He co-founded which won “Best Medical App” award for AskMD in 2014 and its DoctorOz app was nominated for an Emmy in 2017. In 2003, Dr. Oz founded Healthcorps which emulates the Peacecorps model by putting energetic recent college graduates into high schools around the country to teach diet, fitness, and mental resilience. Over a million teens have been influenced by this nationwide program.

In addition to belonging to every major professional society for heart surgeons, Dr. Oz has been named Time magazine’s 100 Most Influential People, Forbes’ most influential celebrity, Esquire magazine’s 75 Most Influential People of the 21st Century, a Global Leader of Tomorrow by the World Economic Forum, Harvard’s 100 Most Influential Alumni, as well as receiving the Ellis Island Medal of Honor and AARP 50 Influential People Over 50. He won the prestigious Gross Surgical Research Scholarship, and he has received an honorary doctorate from Istanbul University. He was voted “The Best and Brightest” by Esquire Magazine, a “Doctor of the Year” by Hippocrates magazine and “Healer of the Millennium” by Healthy Living magazine. Dr. Oz is annually elected as a highest quality physician by the Castle Connolly Guide as well as other major ranking groups. He is also an honorary police surgeon for New York City.