Aug. 10, 2020

Lisa Loeb Interview + Cubby Hits A Jackpot + Bradley Cooper Sighting

Grammy winning Lisa Loeb is our guest. Barnes guest hosts another show. Leslie grows a watermelon. Cubby wins $38,000 on a slot machine. Was Barnes hitting on Cubby's date 30 years ago? Bradley Cooper sighting and dating scoop.

Grammy winning Lisa Loeb + Win a free pair of Time Slippers (amazing shoes from our sponsor) + Barnes guest hosts another show + Leslie grows a watermelon + Cubby wins $38,000 on a slot machine + Dido + Was Barnes hitting on Cubby's date 30 years ago + Bradley Cooper sighting and dating scoop + Reboots galore in Hollywood + Scream 5 + Lizzo gets a TV deal + R.E.M. perfume + E News canceled + Gordon Ramsay attacks Tik Tok users + review of the new Instagram "Reels" and much more.


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Speaker 1 (00:00):

Welcome to The Pop Culture Show with Barnes, Leslie and Cubby.


Barnes (00:03):

The Pop Culture Show is back. I'm Barnes. That's Leslie. That's Cubby. Please rate, review and subscribe and thank you for hanging with us. There's a lot going on including a couple of guests coming up. Kristian Bush from Sugarland will be on with us next week.


Leslie (00:19):

Our old buddy Kristian Bush.


Barnes (00:21):

You can listen to us on the iHeartRadio app and now we've been added to Pandora. So if Pandora is your jam. Where else can we get picked up Cubby?


Cubby (00:30):

Buicks. You can hear us now from Buicks now.


Barnes (00:32):

Yeah, they added that from Tesla. Tesla [crosstalk 00:00:35].


Cubby (00:34):

Tesla, of course. I love my Tesla. I don't have one but I love my Tesla.


Barnes (00:39):

How was your week?


Cubby (00:41):

Well, we had that tropical storm, Isaias.


Leslie (00:43):

That's right.


Barnes (00:45):

Did they do that as a job to weathercasters? No one can say the name.


Cubby (00:48):

It took me forever to say it and I'm probably still saying it wrong. We got hit pretty hard here. It was only like a five hour travel storm, like it flew in flew out, but lost power for 24 hours, which is nothing compared to other friends of mine who are still without power.


Barnes (01:03):

And with a baby.


Cubby (01:04):

With a baby. Had a friend of mine come over and bring a generator which helped us out a little bit. You could plug in a few lamps and stuff like that and a portable air conditioning but it was a heck of a week. A tree fell, almost hit our house where the baby was sleeping. Barely missed it. So we were very fortunate but you know what, despite all that, guys-


Barnes (01:26):

Did your Jägermeister machine go down?


Cubby (01:27):

It went down for a whole day but despite all that, I think I locked in a guest for today's show.


Leslie (01:33):



Cubby (01:34):

I made some calls. I was on the internet, shot a few emails, and even a day without power didn't stop me from, I'm fairly certain booking somebody here today.


Barnes (01:47):

Who? Tell us.


Cubby (01:49):

I'd be crazy to tell you now.


Barnes (01:52):

You're playing games now with us. We have to listen to find out who it is.


Cubby (01:54):

I can assure you-


Barnes (01:56):

I can't leave early.


Cubby (01:58):

I can assure you this person is going to chime in and plug into our podcast in the next few minutes.


Barnes (02:05):

We're going to know who it is?


Cubby (02:06):

You should. Grammy winner, I know that.


Leslie (02:08):

What a tease.


Barnes (02:10):

Did we play them on alternative radio?


Cubby (02:12):

Oh, absolutely. You guys probably know this person you probably interviewed and hung out with this person as much as I have.


Barnes (02:19):

Actor also, or just a singer?


Cubby (02:22):

No, maybe done some acting but-


Barnes (02:25):

I don't like to be teased like this.


Cubby (02:26):

Was part of a movie in a weird roundabout way. So there's a little tease for you.


Leslie (02:31):

He or she?


Cubby (02:32):



Leslie (02:33):

Oh, it's a she?


Barnes (02:35):

What if we were to end the show right now? It would just be over. Thanks for listening to The Pop Culture Show. So where's your guest Cubby-


Cubby (02:42):

Not until she chimes. I'm not feeling confident until we hear that, and she plugs into the podcast here.


Barnes (02:49):

What? We're just going to sit and wait and something's going to happen? Is it like on Zoom when people just pop in.


Leslie (02:54):

I think that's what's going to happen.


Cubby (02:57):

Yeah, it's like that, like a surprise drop in.


Barnes (02:58):

That was a crazy week. I would not take yours for anything. Mine was pretty low key I did guest host a podcast. Our friend Damona Hoffman, who has a very successful dating podcast. She was on our second, I think episode ever when we started this thing back in April.


Leslie (03:13):

Wait a minute. Why were you on a dating podcast?


Barnes (03:14):

I guest hosted. She does this segment called Headlines and she wanted some pop culture input, and so who did she come to? The Pop Culture Show.


Cubby (03:21):

Did you plug our show?


Barnes (03:23):

Cubby, how long have you known me?


Cubby (03:25):

30 years.


Leslie (03:25):

He's the plug meister.


Barnes (03:27):

Did I plug our show?


Cubby (03:28):

I'm Ygritte meister, you're plug meister.


Barnes (03:31):

So yeah, that episode drops today, same day as ours. It's called Dates and Mates. It's a very successful show. I've probably ruined it, but it's out today. My part of it is somewhere in there. She does headlines in the segment or as a segment.


Leslie (03:47):

Does she help people get dates and mates?


Barnes (03:49):

She's very good. She's in the LA Times. She writes for like, what's the Washington big newspaper, I think-


Leslie (03:55):

Washington Post?


Barnes (03:57):

That may be it. Yep. She does all of these newspapers and she hosted a dating show on, I want to say Lifetime or one of those networks. She's always in the mix. She's very cool. Damona Hoffman and that show is called Dates and Mates. So listen. Fram, how was your week?


Leslie (04:12):

Damn, my week pales in comparison. Cubby is without power, sitting in the dark. You're over there on podcasts. I'm just over here growing watermelons.


Cubby (04:21):

That actually is really cool. I saw that on your Instagram and that looks really neat.


Barnes (04:26):

You posted a lot about this watermelon and the one thing I can think of, it takes how many days to grow watermelon?


Leslie (04:34):

I don't know. All I can tell you is that I go out there and water it. My husband does most of the work-


Barnes (04:39):

You do know. He just told you. I heard him tell 60 days. I was teeing you up, and what was my comment when you said that?


Leslie (04:46):

I didn't hear your comment.


Barnes (04:47):

I said I would just go to Publix. Because that's too much attachment to a watermelon, for 60 days and then you just eat it like that and it's gone.


Cubby (04:56):

Do you water them?


Leslie (04:57):

You do think it was cool how it went from a tiny little seed to-


Barnes (05:00):

Of course, but then you eat it and then it's gone.


Leslie (05:02):

I know but you grow yourself in your own garden. It's magical.


Cubby (05:05):

Do you water it with your [quify 00:05:06]?


Barnes (05:06):



Cubby (05:08):

Oh, QuiFit. I'm sorry.


Barnes (05:09):

There's still people talking about that.


Leslie (05:12):

I need money from that company because I think I sold about 30 of those things.


Barnes (05:15):

It's French, right? They're saying we.


Leslie (05:17):

It's we fit.


Barnes (05:19):

Right, but only you would take the little tilde accent thing and make it a Q for QuiFit.


Cubby (05:26):

I just want to take two seconds to shout out to people. Yes, only two but hopefully more. A girl named Jody who is our account executive at iHeartRadio, listens every week and so does Wendy Wilde. She's our midday DJ at KTU, the station I used to be at. She listens all the time. I just want to shout out to you people real quick because they comment every week on our show and we really appreciate it.


Leslie (05:49):

That's really nice.


Cubby (05:50):

Spread the word guys and Jodi, Wendy we love you and let's get some more people tuning into The Pop Culture Show.


Barnes (05:56):

Before we get to celebrity sleaze, I thought it would be fun to do around of tell me a story where you have to tell something about one of the other co hosts. So you have something that is stuck in your mind about one of the other two. That just when you say someone's name, a story is kind of implanted in your head, friends of yours. For some reason your mind goes back to that story. I have two quick ones and I actually have one about both of you. Cubby, I always think of the time you won, what was it? $40,000 in a slot machine?


Cubby (06:32):

Yes, it was $38,500 on a slot machine.


Barnes (06:36):

How much did you put in?


Cubby (06:37):

100 bucks.


Barnes (06:38):

Three times or just 100?


Cubby (06:40):

No, I went to, I take that back. It was about $300 into a $100 machine because I've had some success on $100 slot machines. Your money will go like that if you're not winning, but you can also score big. One cherry on $100 machine could be like $3,000.


Barnes (07:01):

Dude gets off of work, goes right to Atlantic City, calls me from the car, is like, dude, I just won $38,000. I'm like, what?


Cubby (07:08):

Leslie, I was feeling it. It was really weird. I was at work. I'm about two hours from Atlantic City, you probably remember from working up here is not far at all and it kind of hit me. I'm like, you know what, I'm going to go down to Atlantic City. It's Tuesday afternoon, nobody will be there. I jumped in the car, went down there and I had $500, I had five $100 bills, and I said, I'm just going to put them all in the $100 machine and whatever happens, happens, and $300 in the thing went cherry, cherry and then like, jackpot. I knew it was big, but I wasn't sure.


Barnes (07:41):

At that point, when you win that much money, what happens? Do people emerge from a secret room and come get you?


Cubby (07:46):

It was ringing and then I thought I want $3,800 at first because I was like, what's happening here and then this old lady walks by and she goes, oh, honey, you did good. Then another person came up to me and then a little bit circle started. I said, I think it's like 3,800 and they go, no, it's 38,000.


Leslie (08:06):

$38,000. Are you the type of person that will walk away at that point? Because a lot of people, as you know, go the other way, and they lose it all.


Cubby (08:14):

I walk away when I'm up 400. I was not expecting this and then they're like, we can convert this to a check if you want or we can just give you cash.


Barnes (08:23):

Like right there, they do it?


Cubby (08:24):

Right there. Everything happens right there.


Barnes (08:27):

Wow, they take the tax out.


Cubby (08:30):

They mail you the, what is it? The W-2 or the 10-


Barnes (08:32):



Cubby (08:34):

They mail you that later in the year. So during tax time, and then you report it and all that.


Barnes (08:39):

So that sticks in my mind. What'd you do with the money?


Cubby (08:42):

You know what I did? I didn't go to an ATM machine for like years, because-


Barnes (08:45):

You kept it as slash mind.


Cubby (08:47):

I took the cash and they wrapped it in an envelope for me and a guy walked me out and I didn't put it in the bank. I know that sounds stupid. I'd literally just lived off it for like 10 years.


Leslie (08:58):

Bank robbers do that too.


Barnes (09:02):

You see why it's stuck in my head?


Cubby (09:04):

That's amazing. I love that story.


Leslie (09:06):

I didn't know that story. That's incredible.


Barnes (09:07):

My Leslie story is from New York. Also, one time when we were there, every year we did our show for a year there for MTV, and we were in the Empire State Building up on the deck. She turns to me and says, "Are we in the eyes?"


Leslie (09:21):

My husband loves this story.


Barnes (09:24):

I was like, "Fran, this is not the Statue of Liberty. It's the Empire State Building."


Leslie (09:30):

I was so innocent, you know.


Cubby (09:33):

This is why people love Leslie though. She's real, she's innocent, she's-


Barnes (09:37):

It just stays in my mind for some reason. When Fram's name comes up on my phone, I go right to, are we in the eyes?


Leslie (09:45):

That's staying in the Fram Hall of Fame, I might add.


Barnes (09:48):



Cubby (09:50):

QuiFit. How can we top last week after the beginning of last week? Oh my God.


Leslie (09:56):

There's so many Barnes' stories, Cubby as you know. The fact that he doesn't like Stoli anymore, it's like because that was number one for him. Anyways, I digress. When we did a morning show together, we all had our top five list. Our fantasy top five Cubby. I think Brad Pitt was always number one on mine, but Barnes had a type as you can imagine. Barnes had a type, like Reese Witherspoon was always in his top five. Who else was in?


Barnes (10:22):

Number one forever.


Leslie (10:24):

Forever was Reese. Who else was in your, do you remember-


Barnes (10:26):

Jennifer Aniston.


Leslie (10:27):

Yep, yep.


Barnes (10:30):

They were the staples. Then the bottom three kind of rotated.


Leslie (10:34):

They rotated [crosstalk 00:10:35].


Barnes (10:35):

Where's this going Fram?


Leslie (10:39):

Cubby, you remember the singer Dido?


Cubby (10:42):

Of course.


Leslie (10:44):

When Dido first came out at the radio station, the record rep brought her in. We did an interview on the morning show where we played her new song and she was lovely person. Really nice. So anyway, they leave the control room and Barnes immediately declares on the air that there's a change in his top five list. There's like an immediate change in the top five list.


Barnes (11:05):

I remember this-


Leslie (11:05):

Dido's going right to the top. Little did he know that Dido was in the hallway listening to this whole thing, because there's like speakers in the hallway, playing the morning show. They come back into the control room after they heard this whole thing. I think actually, she was probably delighted about it and she thought it was really cool. So she came back in, it was revealed that all of a sudden Dido is number one on Barnes' top five and then we all had dinner that night. It was a beautiful relationship.


Barnes (11:35):

It was the strangest thing. She was not known then. This was pre Eminem and all that stuff she did.


Cubby (11:42):

You kept in touch with her, right? I remember you-


Barnes (11:43):

For years. I haven't spoken with her in a long time, she's lovely. Such a cool girl. She would come to Atlanta all the time and we'd go out. We'd go to dinner. We'd go to Food 101 on Roswell road, we went to Prime at Linux. I remember that night. That was like a three hour dinner. It's not like all of a sudden Dido was my girlfriend all of a sudden. She wasn't, but it was just the weirdest thing. It's like high school, they left the room and I'm like, oh, they're not listening. Immediately, she's number one. Number one. Who's Reese Witherspoon.


Cubby (12:10):

Speaking of women, see my memory of Barnes, I guess it's more of a question.


Barnes (12:16):

I feel like I'm being attacked.


Cubby (12:17):

No, it's more of a question than it is a story but when I first met you, it was July, of 1991 when I first met you. Were you hitting on my date? That's my question I've always wanted to ask, because-


Barnes (12:31):

Who was your date?


Cubby (12:32):

I don't think you were hitting on her but you talked about how pretty she was.


Barnes (12:37):

Who was she?


Cubby (12:38):

I don't remember. I think her name was Alison and we dated for a year-


Barnes (12:41):

Well, maybe I was giving you credit. I don't recall hitting on her. Well, I wouldn't hit on your-


Leslie (12:44):

Wait, did she look like Dido?


Cubby (12:45):

No, she actually was brunette. So maybe not-


Barnes (12:48):

Well then there's your answer. There's no way.


Leslie (12:50):

He was always into blondes back then.


Barnes (12:52):

My top five was like, yeah.


Cubby (12:54):

Always blonde?


Barnes (12:55):



Cubby (12:56):

Okay, so maybe you weren't but I definitely think that it helped because I know how you appreciate a fine looking lady and we got to talking and you were like, hey, who's this fine, young thing? I don't think you said that but-


Barnes (13:09):

You make me sound like grandpa. I was 22 years old at the time. That's funny. That's what sticks in your head? That's your story?


Leslie (13:17):

That's hysterical.


Barnes (13:18):

For all these years? For 30 years? You've been thinking I was trying to pick up your 18 year old girlfriend?


Cubby (13:25):

She wasn't 18, she was like our age.


Barnes (13:27):

You were 19.


Cubby (13:29):

In '91, I was I just turned 20.


Barnes (13:31):

Okay. I'm sorry. You just turned 20. That's hysterical.


Cubby (13:35):

I have other stories of you. I have like, you and I did a bet together when I was working in Houston. and you were working in Kansas City and radio DJs we do these wacky things. Hey, if my team wins, I'll do this or you do that. We had a bet where the Oilers were playing the Kansas City Chiefs in the playoffs and if the Oilers won, you had to pump gas for your listeners. I can't remember what would happen if the Chiefs had won because I didn't have to worry about that. You lost and you had to pump gas and we got a lot of traction on, I believe in all the industry trade magazines on that.


Barnes (14:11):

I think the gas is probably because the Oilers, I'm assuming.


Cubby (14:13):

Well yeah, I get that. I can't remember what mine was going to be but that was our early radio days.


Barnes (14:18):

I had to pump gas for like three hours.


Cubby (14:20):

You did. I remember that. I remember that.


Barnes (14:23):

That was the worst.


Cubby (14:24):

It was your idea, too.


Barnes (14:25):

All right, thanks for reminding me of all these great stories. Good to know that you're still freaking out about your date. I love that.


Leslie (14:32):



Barnes (14:32):

Glad I hold that power over you, Cubby. All of these years.


Cubby (14:35):

Finally after 30 years, it feels great to get this off my chest, man.


Barnes (14:38):

All right.


Leslie (14:39):

I was getting ready to say pent up-


Barnes (14:41):

Yeah, something.


Leslie (14:43):

Are we ready for celebrity sleeve? You're ready to dive in guys?


Cubby (14:46):

Let's do this.


Leslie (14:48):

The Ellen DeGeneres saga continues. First of all, did you see that rumor that James Corden could be acting over her show?


Barnes (14:55):

What a perfect person to take it.


Leslie (14:58):

That's what the, "insiders" are saying. I think he'd be great.


Barnes (15:01):

He's probably the one driving the rumors now the most. Yeah, it's all true. It's all true, mate.


Leslie (15:06):

Her wife spoke up, Portia de Rossi is speaking up and her statement was like, to all the fans, we see you, thank you for your support. Then her brother, her brothers now coming out saying, okay, I need to say something. My sister is being viciously attacked and let me assure you, it is all BS.


Barnes (15:25):

I'm hearing the opposite.


Leslie (15:26):

Now I don't know if she's calling or the producers are calling these celebrities. Because you see a bunch of celebrities came out this week in her defense.


Cubby (15:34):

Katy Perry, I believe is one of them.


Leslie (15:37):

Katy Perry was one of them.


Barnes (15:38):

Kevin Hart and he got fried for it.


Leslie (15:40):

Now Ellen is, people are saying that Ellen is now going to quietly back up from her show because she feels "betrayed."


Barnes (15:49):

Quietly, with her how many millions of dollars?


Leslie (15:52):

She thinks she's a target and look, where there's smoke, there's fire. There's so many of these stories, and they just keep coming out. So let's see what happens.


Cubby (16:00):

There was like a kid I think not a kid, but they were like 11 years old.


Barnes (16:05):

He's like a VP of a marketing agency in New Orleans. I saw that.


Cubby (16:08):

Oh, it's a guy, right?


Barnes (16:09):

Yeah, it's a guy.


Cubby (16:10):

Okay. Yeah.


Leslie (16:11):

Well, I love it when two beautiful people get together and I will tell you social media was going crazy over this story. At the beach together, Bradley Cooper and Jennifer Garner. People want Jen to be in love after Ben Affleck had an affair with the nanny. People want her to be happy. You can't blame her.


Barnes (16:29):

Hey, Cubby?


Cubby (16:30):



Barnes (16:31):

Last time I was in LA at breakfast.


Cubby (16:33):

Who'd you run into? Where are we going?


Barnes (16:34):

I was sitting in my car, making a call and I heard this really thumping G Wagon, G Wagon, G Wagon come up and it parked right next to me like almost to the point where I couldn't open my door. Bradley Cooper.


Leslie (16:45):



Cubby (16:46):

Were people confused on who was who with you next to him?


Barnes (16:49):

It was so confusing. It was two days after he won his Oscar and not one pap sign which was shocking. He went to this place, Heather, what's the name of the place where all the shops and-


Heather (17:01):

Farm Stands.


Barnes (17:01):

The Farm Stands in Brentwood. There's a great breakfast place in there. You used to be able to see people there all the time and Jennifer Garner was one of them that live in that kind of Brentwood heavy estate big huge, like $20 million house area. He popped up with his really tacky-


Leslie (17:19):



Barnes (17:20):

No, like the warm ups and a messy shirt like just out of bed and not one person was out there and there's usually paparazzi all around that place.


Cubby (17:29):

Was he by himself?


Barnes (17:31):

No, because then I walked in with him. Yeah, but he was by himself.


Leslie (17:36):

Barnes was hoping for like a buddy cop movie of he and Bradley Cooper.


Barnes (17:39):

That was my moment. Where are the pap when you need them? He was on the on a phone call when he pulled up and you know when it's really loud in your car and people pull up at a light and you can hear everything going on?


Cubby (17:49):

Yeah, it sounds like the Charlie Brown teacher.


Barnes (17:51):

Yeah. So he pulled up and his windows were down and he was blasting somebody, some guy, probably his agent or something. It was really random.


Leslie (17:58):

Remember the rumors of Bradley Cooper and Lady Gaga when they filmed the movie together and people were like, ah. I don't know, but anyway-


Barnes (18:05):

By the way, I took a picture.


Leslie (18:06):

You did? Send it to us.


Barnes (18:07):

I put my iPhone up to my ear like I was on the phone and I just hit the volume knob. Snap, snap, snap.


Leslie (18:13):

Unbelievable. That's a sneaky move.


Barnes (18:15):

He was right there.


Leslie (18:17):

We got two Simons in the news, Simon Cowell, who had a wreck on his motorized bike over the weekend. People are saying he broke his back and has to have surgery.


Barnes (18:27):

First that came out and said he just had a minor injury and then all of a sudden he had a broken back.


Leslie (18:31):

I know. I don't know if he had a broken back or what but I've heard conflicting stories.


Barnes (18:35):

You know when you have a broken back, right? I don't know if there was like a question. They had to determine it.


Leslie (18:40):

Then there's Simon Fuller, the guy who owns the Idol franchise. Have you heard this?


Barnes (18:45):



Leslie (18:46):

He wants to have the first of its kind show about forming a supergroup from TikTok.


Cubby (18:54):

My gosh.


Leslie (18:55):

Here we go.


Cubby (18:57):

It'll probably work though. I got to be honest with you, it'll probably work.


Leslie (19:00):

We do have a story about TikTok later and somebody who just broke off TikTok. So because Hollywood is out of ideas, we have reboots. We have all these different franchise installments and here we go, and revivals. Have you heard about A League of Their Own, a reboot coming to Amazon?


Barnes (19:18):

The movie?


Leslie (19:19):

Yep, a TV reboot of A League of Their Own is coming to Amazon based on the movie. That's one.


Cubby (19:25):

Not much original stuff much.


Leslie (19:27):

Here's another reboot, although I'm very happy about this reboot. Chip and Joanna Gaines are rebooting Fixer Upper because they own a network now. They have their own network. It hasn't launched yet. It's called Magnolia. So they're going to reboot that and it'll be huge because, like me, there are a lot of people that would just watch hours of Fixer Upper.


Barnes (19:46):

Those two kill it. They kill it.


Leslie (19:49):

Nev Campbell, reportedly signed on for Scream 5.


Barnes (19:54):

Where has she been?


Leslie (19:54):

I didn't know there was a Scream 3-


Cubby (19:57):

Or 4.


Barnes (19:57):

Where has she been?


Leslie (19:57):

Remember, our buddy David Arquette's going to be in it too. I don't know where Nev's been. Here's another reboot, or revival, Who's The Boss?


Barnes (20:08):

Man, Hollywood is out of ideas.


Leslie (20:11):

With the original stars by the way. Tony Danza, Alyssa Milano returning to reprise their roles.


Barnes (20:19):

30 years later?


Leslie (20:20):

Yeah, 30 years later, with Milano's Samantha now all grown up and a single mom. She's living in the same house as the original series.


Barnes (20:28):

Let's bring back Gilligan's Island.


Leslie (20:31):

We should. Modern day.


Barnes (20:32):

Where's Love Boat? They tried that again. Fantasy Island.


Cubby (20:35):

Yeah, don't get me going man. The Jeffersons, Good Times. I loved all the 70s and 80s and 90s shows.


Leslie (20:40):

Love Island, season two in Las Vegas. It's coming out, August 24.


Barnes (20:46):

How are they going to pull that? Their advertising during Big Brother which started this week.


Leslie (20:49):

What is Love Island about?


Barnes (20:51):

It's the typical, it's just a slight twist of every other dating show but they bring the beautiful people with a bad attitude. They all want to be social influencers. I think the elders get booked on this show so they can try to get a blue check and be an influencer.


Cubby (21:03):

Were you satisfied with your Big Brother first episode of the season?


Barnes (21:07):

I was very disappointed. They announced it was Big Brother all stars and all stars is a stretch. Don't get me wrong. I'm going to watch every minute of it still, but they had people that were booted on their season night one. How do you call them an all star? They didn't have any of the banner names like Mike Boogie or Dr. Will, any of those people that were big personalities on the show.


Leslie (21:28):

What a disappointment.


Cubby (21:29):

No Mike Boogie?


Barnes (21:30):

No. None of my came back. It's all like B level, C level Big Brother players. Multiple.


Cubby (21:36):

Leslie and I have no idea what you're talking about.


Barnes (21:38):

Come on. Mike Boogie. Everyone knows Mike Boogie.


Cubby (21:41):

You know Mike Boogie?


Leslie (21:41):

I have no idea who Mike Boogie is. I like the name though. Hey, by the way Lizzo, I don't know if you're a fan. I'm a fan. She has just inked her first TV deal with Amazon Studios.


Barnes (21:50):



Leslie (21:52):



Barnes (21:52):

Oh, yeah, she's talented.


Leslie (21:54):

Ariana Grande is dropping another fragrance called R.E.M. I was like, wait a second. That's one of my favorite bands, R.E.M. What? What?


Barnes (22:03):

That's so confusing and so lawsuit worthy from the most non commercial band on the planet, REM. I have to think that they're already, I mean it's R.E.M.


Leslie (22:13):

Wait a second, Cubby, you're in the pop world. Did she have a song called R.E.M? Like, what is this based off of?


Cubby (22:19):

Not that I know of. There was never called REM. Maybe it was an album track but no, I don't know where that's coming from either. Did you guys ever buy a fragrance though from a celebrity?


Barnes (22:28):

I wear J.Lo all the time. No, of course not.


Cubby (22:33):

I thought maybe she had male fragrance. I wasn't sure-


Leslie (22:36):

One time we interviewed Kiss and they gave us some and I threw it away.


Barnes (22:43):

You don't want to smell like Paul Stanley?


Cubby (22:44):

There was a Kiss interview-


Barnes (22:46):

It smells like Michael Stipe that would make it really strange.


Cubby (22:50):

It's the end of the world as we know it, man.


Leslie (22:52):

This is shocking. E! News has been canceled after three decades.


Barnes (22:57):

That's pretty wild.


Leslie (22:58):

Streamlining their programming and restructuring, "to internally create more efficiencies." That's what NBC Universal said. Well, listen, The Pop Culture Show could take their place. We're right here, people. E! we're right here. Finally, this was actually kind of funny. We all know that Gordon Ramsay has a bit of a temper, so to speak, but now he's critiquing people's meals on TikTok.


Barnes (23:22):

That's the perfect thing for him. That's his shtick though. That's his whole thing. Have you seen it?


Leslie (23:28):

Have you seen it, Cubby?


Cubby (23:28):

I have not.


Barnes (23:31):

People do these little cooking demonstrations on TikTok. They're little quick, how to do whatever. Here's one of them. It's real quick and he splits and rips on them. (singing).


Barnes (24:01):

So he gets millions of views for that.


Leslie (24:03):

Did he just say you don't know how crap you are?


Barnes (24:05):

Yeah. He pretty much says the same thing in every one of the thesis.


Cubby (24:11):

Is there a series of these?


Barnes (24:12):

Yeah, just on his page.


Cubby (24:13):

Right. Okay, that's funny.


Leslie (24:15):

Ah, that's your celebrity news for this week.


Barnes (24:17):

Who's the artist that broke this week, this song is hysterical on TikTok.


Leslie (24:22):

Well, first of all, she's gotten millions of views on TikTok. Her name is Priscilla Block, but she released this country song and this I think is the first time this has ever happened. Cubby, I don't know if you've ever heard of this or not but her song went number one on iTunes After debuting it on TikTok. I mean, that's incredible.


Barnes (24:41):

Check this song out. I have to give her credit. The plan to get this out there was brilliantly executed and she works it and it's a step above a karaoke song.


Leslie (24:52):

It's like a country song.


Barnes (24:54):

It's got funny lyrics. So here's what it sounds like.


Barnes (24:56):



Barnes (24:56):

It's two turntables and a reverb.


Barnes (25:09):



Barnes (25:14):

She took like the, how to make a country song 101 post and put this together.


Cubby (25:19):

It really is simple.


Barnes (25:20):



Barnes (25:21):



Cubby (25:21):

I feel like we're at a county fair.


Barnes (25:26):



Barnes (25:27):



Barnes (25:31):

Let me get to the hook. Here's the hook. Listen to this.


Barnes (25:54):



Barnes (25:55):

If you don't like these love handles, you can find me at McDonald's and trust me, you'll be loving it.


Leslie (26:01):

That's not the song that went to number one.


Barnes (26:04):

I thought that was it. Thick Thighs.


Leslie (26:06):

No, that's one of the funny songs. The song that went to number one was this heartbreak song called, Just About Over You, which is more of a serious country song, but that's one of our funny songs.


Cubby (26:17):

If that was number one, that would kind of freak me out a little bit.


Leslie (26:20):

No, she has a new song called Thick Thighs but the one that went to number one is called-


Barnes (26:23):

That's Thick Thighs.


Leslie (26:24):

That's Thick Thighs. The one that went to number one is called. Just About Over You, Priscilla Block.


Barnes (26:29):

Have you seen the new Reels' feature competing now with TikTok's? You got Microsoft trying to buy TikTok, you got Trump trying to end TikTok, you got Instagram trying to exploit TikTok and they come out with Reels.


Leslie (26:41):

I did. I have seen a few of those with celebrities and stuff. They're okay.


Barnes (26:45):

If you really want to get the review and I wanted to hold off and find out, can you grab the review team?


Leslie (26:51):

We have a review team for Reels?


Barnes (26:53):

Would you mind grabbing them? Yes, we have 15 year olds available for a quick review of the new Reels features on TikTok that would be Mallory Barnes and her friend, I don't want to out her friend. She can say her name if she wants to be outed on-


Leslie (27:06):

Oh, get your daughter on the show. That's great.


Barnes (27:08):

Yeah, come on in review team. Here they come.


Cubby (27:10):

So the to me, Reels is a backup for me. I'm still a TikTok guy. I love TikTok and I haven't checked out Reels yet because I'm like, I'll go to that when I really need to. Right now, TikTok is still up and running.


Barnes (27:20):

Okay. They can't hear you but say hello, Mallory Barnes.


mallory (27:23):



Eva (27:24):

Hi, I'm Eva Russell.


Barnes (27:26):

So we have two experts here on TikToking and on the new Instagram Reels. What are your thoughts, one at a time? We'll start with you. What's your thoughts on the new Instagram Reels?


Eva (27:37):

I think it needs to be developed a little bit more honestly. The features that they have don't really compare to the features TikTok has, but I think they probably could develop it enough to get to the same level, maybe.


Barnes (27:51):

All right, Mallory Barnes. What do you think?


mallory (27:53):

I don't really like it.


Barnes (27:55):

You told me yesterday it sucked.


mallory (27:57):

Yeah, I think that.


Barnes (27:59):

Why? Why does it suck?


mallory (28:00):

Because they're just trying to make it like TikTok and I don't think you can make it like TikTok. I don't know.


Barnes (28:07):

Who's the hottest thing to listen to right now out there.


mallory (28:09):

Taylor Swift.


Barnes (28:11):

Taylor Swift. What about you?


Eva (28:13):

Yeah, Taylor Swift is good. Yeah.


Leslie (28:15):

Those are really good reviews about Reels. So basically it needs development.


Barnes (28:19):

Go to your audience, people if you want a review. Thank you review team.


Leslie (28:22):

Thank you very much.


Cubby (28:23):

Thank you, ladies.


Barnes (28:24):

All right, go back to sleep.


Leslie (28:25):

You know what's sad, it reminds me of whatever happened to Vine.


Barnes (28:29):

That was only here for 10 minutes.


Cubby (28:31):

So when Vine went away, I was bummed out and TikTok came back around but it goes to show guys, it's all about first in the category. TikTok is ruling this category. It's going to be hard to break them. All right guys, are you ready for my feature that could have a Grammy Award winning guest?


Barnes (28:47):

I already forgot. We got so busy on the show. I forgot you teased a guest and again didn't come through because I see nothing.


Cubby (28:54):

Play my intro please.


Barnes (28:55):

Okay, get magical.


Speaker 1 (29:00):

This is Cubby's pop culture throwback, a rewind into the vault of music, movies and moments.


Barnes (29:06):

By the way, who do you know that you get special intros for segments? There's no celebrity sleaze intro.


Leslie (29:13):

I know, I'm feeling a little neglected.


Cubby (29:14):

I'm surprised Fram hadn't bitched about that. Fram, do you want your own intro for your sleaze?


Leslie (29:19):

I'm not a bitcher.


Barnes (29:21):

There's your quote of the week. I'm not a bitcher.


Cubby (29:24):

This week we're looking back at what was popping in 1994. Movies, TVs and music. Barnes, Leslie, where were you guys in 1994? Do you remember.


Barnes (29:33):

I was sitting right across and Leslie Fram at 99X.


Leslie (29:35):



Cubby (29:35):

There you go. So at the box office, this week in 1994 it was all about this movie.


Speaker 8 (29:43):

How dare you come into this office and bark at me like some little junkyard dog? I am the President of the United States!


Speaker 9 (29:49):

How dare you sir!


Speaker 10 (29:51):

Paramount Pictures presents, this summer's most electrifying motion picture. Clear and Present Danger.


Cubby (30:00):

Harrison Ford and William Defoe ruling the box office.


Leslie (30:02):

That whole series, so good.


Cubby (30:04):

On TV, this week in 1994. Of course, we were still watching Seinfeld. Whenever you bring up a 90s pop culture it's Seinfeld, but we were also watching another big show. Do you know this TV theme?


Cubby (30:21):



Cubby (30:21):



Barnes (30:23):



Cubby (30:23):

That would be ER. ER ladies, gentlemen. That show ruled.


Barnes (30:28):

I didn't watch that show. I mean, I watched it, but I didn't watch it constantly.


Cubby (30:32):

I was the same way. I wasn't loyal but I watched it-


Leslie (30:34):

George Clooney was on that show. Come on.


Cubby (30:36):

There you go. Now to music we go. We're looking back at this week in 1994. The number one song on the R&B charts. It was Janet Jackson and she had a song called Any Time, Any Place.


Cubby (30:51):



Cubby (30:55):

This is a kind of a forgotten Janet song but it was good.


Cubby (30:57):



Cubby (31:03):

All right guys, the number one song on the modern rock charts this week in 1994. It was a great song and you guys were probably playing it at 99X. I was in Houston playing it. It was a Counting Crows song, but one you might have forgotten about.


Cubby (31:16):



Leslie (31:27):

Can't forget about any of those. They were all great.


Cubby (31:29):

Yeah, but this one is like-


Barnes (31:31):

It was kind of a beside.


Cubby (31:32):

Yeah, whenever you mention Counting Crows to somebody, they'll say Mr. Jones first and then Round Here and they forget Einstein on the Beach.


Barnes (31:38):

I love that. What movie was that from? It was that movie. We started playing it. We were playing it and it picked up steam and it was such an odd song because it wasn't on an album.


Cubby (31:50):

Also Rain King, another great tune that was kind of-


Barnes (31:52):

Great. August and Everything After was such an unbelievable album.


Cubby (31:56):

I got the last one here for you on the country charts. It was all about John Michael. Montgomery and the number one song in America back this week in 1994 was a song called Be My Baby Tonight.


Cubby (32:08):



Cubby (32:12):

The number one song this week on the pop charts, this week in 1994 and it would stay number one for three solid weeks is the song.


Cubby (32:22):



Barnes (32:23):

I love her.


Barnes (32:25):



Cubby (32:25):

I'm very fond of the song Lisa Loeb, and Stay from the Reality Bites soundtrack. Such a great song.


Leslie (32:32):

One of my all time favorite songs.


Cubby (32:34):

It never went away. It was just played on the radio forever and still played today.


Barnes (32:38):

This is the what? What anniversary?


Cubby (32:41):

This would be, well let me do the math here. 1994, what is that? 26 years ago, this week that that song went to number one and that song has such a great story and the artist Lisa Loeb is probably one of my faves of all time and-


Barnes (32:56):



Cubby (32:57):



Leslie (32:57):

She was so cool. Lisa Loeb. So cool.


Cubby (32:59):

You guys interviewed her.


Barnes (33:01):

All the time. She was on our show a lot. Here's the thing Cubby. You have your own branded Cubby's pop culture throwback segment and you bring all these people up and I know this person and we have this person and we have these guys. You never really do anything and have them on the show. So you don't put your money where your mouth is and that's getting kind of old. I just wish you would for once, instead of having a clip half the person.


Cubby (33:25):

All right, hit that button. Hit the button third from your right, Steve. Now say hello, Lisa.


Lisa Loeb (33:33):



Cubby (33:33):

I got Lisa Loeb for you guys.


Barnes (33:37):

Wait a minute, but Cubby-


Lisa Loeb (33:38):

Hello. You say.


Barnes (33:41):

No, you score boarded and you got a Grammy winner.


Cubby (33:44):

On her anniversary of Stay being the number one song in the country. Lisa Loeb, good to have you my dear.


Barnes (33:49):

Hey, Lisa.


Lisa Loeb (33:50):

Hello. It's so good to be here. You know you, well, all of you are very important to this song, but Cubby especially because he and you guys down at KRBE, when you were there, decided to play the song on the radio and that started a big, not a tumble. That's a big word, but it started a wildfire, an avalanche, something positive that, something positive.


Cubby (34:12):

Because you were on you were unsigned and we heard this song and we were playing it and I remember, if I remember correctly Lisa, Skip Bishop at RCA Records called us and said, "What is this song you're playing off of our soundtrack?" Because wasn't Reality Bites on RCA soundtrack.


Lisa Loeb (34:28):

Yes. So I was an unsigned artist. I had licensed my song, that's very technical, to RCA. So I was an unsigned artist and it was on the Reality Bites soundtrack, which was one of the best mixtapes basically that you could be on with U2, and Crowded House and I think, now I'm like who was on there. Lenny Kravitz, I don't know. Juliana Hatfield. It really ran the gamut. A lot of different types of artists and it was so cool. The song wasn't out as a single yet and you guys decided to pick it up and play it like a single.


Cubby (34:57):

This was back in the day when computers were monitoring radio stations and the record company said, you're playing the song like 50 times a week. Then it was already a proven hit in Houston and then I believe it just snowballed from there for you.


Barnes (35:10):

Weren't you the first artist to have a number one without a record deal?


Lisa Loeb (35:15):

Yes, and it's really still unusual. I'm surprised it doesn't happen more now because things are so independent. Now you're able to really put your music out. I think it wasn't until Macklemore put his song out, that they went to number one and they were independent. I will say it does take a team like people like Skip Bishop, who is the head of the radio promotion over there at RCA Records. Once you guys started playing it, which was really the first big step, then the record company and Skip Bishop really helped push that along and make sure that I went to every single radio station in the United States and the world, at 6AM.


Leslie (35:54):

The song's still played on the radio because it's timeless, Lisa. Tell us about writing that song because you didn't really write it for Reality Bites.


Lisa Loeb (36:01):

No, I didn't. I wrote it in New York City. I started in New York City. After I'd graduated college, I was in an argument with my boyfriend who was also my co producer at the time. I was like writing and it's funny because usually I write things a little bit more shielded and shrouded in mystery. This was just like, we were in an argument and I started writing about it, and I wanted to write a song also, at the same time, that was what was happening with the lyrics.


Lisa Loeb (36:26):

With the music, I heard that Daryl Hall from Hall & Oates, was looking for songs for his solo record. So I was thinking about Hall & Oates and those old songs like Sarah Smile, those great kind of blues songs with those great licks, guitar licks. So I started writing a song to a groove, and it was, if you listen, it has a little bit of, I have a guitar. Well, I happen to have a guitar right now. You can hear it kind of this. Because it's like (singing).


Lisa Loeb (36:59):

You know that kind of groovy like, it's not groovy, but it's a groove. I tried to write a song for Daryl Hall and then opportunity, unfortunately, it was not actually there or went away or whatever but it sort of inspired the feeling of the song. Then I wrote this weird song that doesn't have a chorus that's kind of like a book. It's turning the page as the story is being told. So it was an unusual writing experience for me, but it was a song that I played a lot in my concerts in New York City where I was living at the time at CBGBs and Lone Star Roadhouse and The Bitter End and all these places where you play in New York.


Lisa Loeb (37:34):

Ethan Hawke, he was my friend, he was one of the people who said, I really like that song. I was like, oh, cool. At one point, he asked if I had a copy of it that I could give to him to give to Ben Stiller, who was directing this movie that he was in. I was like, yeah, yeah and we scrambled to make sure we could put a newly recorded version of song Stay, which we were making for demo tapes, actually, for record companies were interested in and they wanted to know if we had recordings of some of my music.


Lisa Loeb (38:02):

So we had put together a band version of Stay and we gave that to Ethan on a cassette tape and he passed that along to Ben Stiller. Anyway, so it was written mainly for Daryl Hall.


Barnes (38:15):

What does it like to be, I mean, you really flipped the funnel, because here you have a number one song, no record deal and you're just like, come talk to me, baby. Because at that time, that was big record. Now it's so different. It's totally different paradigm.


Lisa Loeb (38:32):

It was exciting because I was an independent artist. I'd been writing songs since I was a little kid and making recordings in high school and all through college and developing what I thought was like a nice independent music career. We were getting really great crowds at our shows. I was playing at South by Southwest and a bunch of different music, like new music seminar. There are all these things that you would do as a new musician, to meet people in the industry and to get out there and to continue to develop your fan base.


Lisa Loeb (39:00):

It was really cool that after going to South by Southwest for a couple years and having different young A&R people coming to the shows, all of a sudden, that summer, that song was number one, all of a sudden. The same summer that I went to South by Southwest with my band yet again and now all the bosses of the young A&R people were like, wait, wait, who's that girl you've been talking about for a couple years?


Lisa Loeb (39:20):

Oh, wait, she's got a number one song on the, or this song is almost number one or number one on the radio. So it was amazing to flip it around and it felt it takes a lot to kind of, when you're a young musician, and even a lot of musicians, you're just very eager. You're very excited. You're like a freshman. You're like, oh, let's do this. We can do this-


Barnes (39:38):

What was the craziest thing that they threw at you?


Lisa Loeb (39:41):

Oh, I remember being on tour when the song was on the radio, but we weren't signed to a label yet. We were playing in Long Island I think and the bigwigs from Interscope took us to their mansion and let us go in their hot tub and they flew in on a helicopter to bring us pizzas from some special place. That was exciting, but yet even our A&R person who did sign with Jim Barbaro, as a young person who is in their early 20s, and I would still probably be excited about this today, they would take you to the grocery store, and you could buy any candy you want or like candy.


Lisa Loeb (40:20):

Or like, I'm taking you to a bookstore, and you can buy all the books you want. I was like, ooh, this is cool. You can buy any album you want. I would walk at a tower records with just bags of albums and CDs. It was crazy.


Cubby (40:34):

You don't mind talking about the song today, still. I really appreciate that. You still tell the great story and you're cool with being that song like such a part of your, being the biggest part of your life.


Lisa Loeb (40:46):

I definitely at the beginning, it was a little bit hard to be a kid who's like 24, 25, 26 years old and having been doing music my whole life and working so hard and putting out albums and people saying, oh, you're an overnight success. You just had that one song. To me, it was like, no, I've been working on singing and playing and recording my whole life. In the video, which was so cool that Ethan directed it, it was really, and I know the record company was excited that this famous actor is directing a video, but really what was cool about it was, it was a unique idea.


Lisa Loeb (41:21):

A one take video where I'm talking to the camera and telling my story, but I wasn't playing my guitar. So I had to fight this thing of like, oh, you're a pop singer, because I didn't have my guitar, you didn't see my band. You didn't know that I rehearsed with the band, and I tell everybody what to do and I write the songs and I arrange them and I work with, you didn't know the whole story. So for a few years, I did feel like I was fighting like, I'm a real musician, and you don't know the whole story.


Lisa Loeb (41:46):

Then I realized, soon thereafter, it might have been because VH1 behind the scenes was popular, watching some of the more seasoned musicians and the situations they had been through and even talking to musicians who were popular, and seeing how they looked at their hit songs, people who I was excited about in the 80s which seems so far away, but it was like two years before that or whatever.


Lisa Loeb (42:08):

Hearing them talk about it made me realize like, this is cool. Yes, I like when people know I've made almost 20 albums and I love when people know different songs, but to even have that one song that connects with people is such an amazing thing. Because I play live so much and even now I'm not playing live in a venue of course, but I do a lot of Facebook lives and Instagram lives and I have a fan club and there's so much connection with the fans that cameo messages.


Lisa Loeb (42:37):

I get to feel and hear those stories about the song and what it means to people and that means a lot to me. I was a big music fan growing up. I was a DJ growing up. I love hearing that from the other side. So I appreciate that-


Barnes (42:50):

Whoa, whoa, whoa, you were a DJ?


Lisa Loeb (42:53):

I was a DJ in high school for three years. There was a radio station at the boys school. I went to the girls school in Dallas, and at the Boys School, St. Mark's school they let me be a DJ. I think I was the only girl. It was at 88.5 KRSM. From the songs, ad also I was like the music director but I wasn't allowed to be the program director because I wasn't at the boy school. They made me the music director. I used to bring in these big peaches crates of records, you know those big wooden crates, and I was this tiny little 15 year old.


Lisa Loeb (43:24):

I'm still like a tiny little something else year old, but I would bring in these huge crates of records and I would play everything you always wanted to hear, but maybe you didn't own. So it would go from Led Zeppelin to a local Dallas band to a man falling down the stairs to a new wave track or whatever I felt like playing and it was so much fun and I also DJ'd parties. I loved music so much.


Lisa Loeb (43:47):

I collected it, I'd met the artists, we'd interview people. So to be on the other side of that is I appreciate the whole thing. I feel like I have more perspective and yes, it's awesome when people know every new song on your new record, like the new record, I Just put out in February, but it's also awesome if people the words and have a relationship with a song that I put out 26 years ago.


Cubby (44:12):

Well, it's so cool that you, I mean, again, you've done so many huge things and you still don't mind talking about how it all started. I want to talk about some of the new music actually. You sent me a song that came out a few months ago. It's called This Is My Life. Now, was this a one take video by the way? It was a pretty creative video.


Lisa Loeb (44:30):

This is not a one take video, but we did shoot it in my house and nowadays, it's funny. Back when we started making records in the 80s and 90s, you had a couple of videos. Now you need a video for every single song on your record. So we made 11 videos for the record A Simple Trick to Happiness and one of the videos is, This Is My Life and I'm playing an enormous Jenga game. Because life is kind of like Jenga, you're carefully trying to make the moves and then it can all fall apart. Then you build it up again and you start over again. In the video, there's more than one of me. It's like inspired by Bewitched.


Cubby (45:03):

I want to play you a little bit of your song. Check this out.


Cubby (45:14):



Cubby (45:34):

All hook, baby. Nothing but hook.


Lisa Loeb (45:37):

That chorus weirdly, I don't know if you know The Monkees very well, but it's funny because the verses to me feel very much like Spoon. I love the band Spoon and they're very like tight and chunky and it reminds me of the 60s sort of blues inspired music of the who and those bands that I love so much. Then the chorus is I really wanted it to feel like this song Randy Scouse Git. There's a song called Randy Scouse Git by The Monkees and it's just like crazy and over compressed and everything's swirling around and we just kept having to add things, add things, add things to make it as noisy as possible.


Leslie (46:11):

What I love about this new record is you exude positivity. You always do. So you hear a song from you and it's Lisa Loeb, but even in the song Shine that you had, it's such positivity about life. Is this album really about looking inward and saying, you know what, this is my life and I'm happy, and I'm enjoying the simple things in life?


Lisa Loeb (46:30):

It is. It's funny, it's like, some people listen to it and say it's very positive and other people I've heard say, oh my God, it's so depressing, but in a good way. It is that. It's like I've always looked at things and as I've gone along, I've been able to put my finger on it and I even named an album this, The Way It Really Is. I like looking at things the way they are and the album is very personal to me.


Lisa Loeb (46:50):

I didn't try to hide things or anything. I wrote songs that were very important to me right now and I've found, it's been out a couple months. I find that other people in their lives really can relate to it because it does acknowledge that things can be hard, and things can get in your way and things aren't always the way you expect which now more than ever, oh my gosh, who knew what was happening right after the album came out that we would close everything down and have this crazy virus happening and all the racism and things just bubbling to the top.


Lisa Loeb (47:22):

So right in our faces all the time and all these important things and things can be really hard but you can realize and in the songs, like you said there can be positivity you realize, wait, I have what I need, or wait even with all the bad stuff I look in my life and you know what, there are some really cool things here and trying to appreciate those things.


Lisa Loeb (47:44):

I have a song called Another Day that's on the record and we just shot a video for another song in my house. We decided to shoot a lot in my house because it was such a personal album and we just shot another video we had to move all this stuff around the house to get it where it needed to be. So all of a sudden, I started picking things up like mom's, no offense to anybody, but often moms are just picking up, picking up, picking something off the floor, picking things up.


Lisa Loeb (48:11):

I told the videographer, the director I was working with, I'm like, start shooting me. This is the video for Another Day, because this is what it's about. It's those everyday moments and Cubby, you know now that you've got this baby, cute, it's just like, it's oh my gosh, oh my gosh, this is tough. I'm picking up this thing, all these little things in my daily life. Then just this glimpse of a moment that just makes everything worth it and it's just this unusual thing and I realized that's what it is while I'm picking up my entire house.


Lisa Loeb (48:41):

Then there's the thing that you see or a thing that you interact with your family for just a moment in a positive way. Not always positive but in a positive way. So the song, Another Day captures that. We can do this for another day, but like I say in the song, some of the days are not enough. Sometimes it's just so tough.


Barnes (48:58):

Is your song, My Third Bottle of Wine on there also? Is that on this album?


Lisa Loeb (49:03):

It's not yet. I do not drink enough, you guys. It's my problem. I drink coffee in the morning and now I drink a little more coffee in the afternoon, but I just don't drink enough. I tried, every year. Ever since 1994, there was like more in '94. I'm going to drink more. It's like my goal.


Barnes (49:22):

The one problem you cause in households with your success, Lisa Loeb, which my wife is a huge fan. She won't say hi, she's sitting right here.


Lisa Loeb (49:31):

I saw her walk by. Hey. I see a hand.


Barnes (49:33):

She will be in the kitchen like dinnertime. It'll be Alexa, play Lisa Loeb and then this happens.


Barnes (49:47):



Barnes (49:47):

Hold on, I want to hear your rap.


Barnes (49:49):



Barnes (49:56):

I say that's a problem because you're having wine, you're hanging out and your children's music gets mixed in with your regular music and Alexa doesn't know the difference and it's funny.


Lisa Loeb (50:06):

It is funny. I will say that a lot of the children's music is really, other than the nursery rhyme record which I did for Amazon, which I did like over 32 nursery rhymes. I didn't really appreciate nursery rhymes. I initially started making kids music, especially after my first record for kids. It was really for me, it was my nostalgia of growing up in the 70s. I'm actually I'm wearing a mood ring right now even, but it was my nostalgia. It wasn't because I liked kids or knew anything about kids. I loved, like even that song you just played from my album, Feel What U Feel, to me it's more like (singing).


Lisa Loeb (50:46):

All the songs we listened to rollerskating in the 70s and this era, where the grown up stuff and the kids stuff, it was a little bit more intertwined like the old Sesame Street from the 70s was really funny and clever and dry and grownups definitely could appreciate it. Then you had grown ups stuff like the Donny & Marie show and Fernwood 2 Night and stuff that was just so, and Steve Martin and things that appealed to children because they had a funny sense of humor and storytelling and so I wanted to do that. So that's what a lot of my kids music is. So it's okay if it gets mixed, even when I-


Barnes (51:20):

It's just funny because when you're drinking, the last thing I want to hear is (singing). It's just so funny.


Lisa Loeb (51:27):

Some people don't know the difference between the grown up stuff and the kid stuff-


Cubby (51:29):

You got to keep drinking, Steve.


Lisa Loeb (51:30):

Yeah, right.


Barnes (51:32):

That's the music that got you a Grammy. You've had such a weird career that's like, I would have given you a Grammy for Stay.


Cubby (51:38):

You got the eyewear from, that was 2010 I believe. You-


Lisa Loeb (51:43):

Yes. I have an eyewear line called Lisa Loeb Eyewear.


Barnes (51:46):

You're a total hustler. I love that. Entrepreneurs-


Lisa Loeb (51:48):

I just have lots of ideas and I like to do them.


Leslie (51:51):

Yeah, you're exploring all your passions, and when you're independent, you can do that, which is exactly what you've been doing successfully.


Lisa Loeb (51:57):

Well, when we all started out, you do one thing. Oh, you're a DJ. Okay, you're just a DJ, that's all you can do. You're not allowed to do anything else, but now if you have other ideas you can do them in it's totally cool. It's totally fine. I'm so excited that that is accepted and the norm actually. If you decided to open your jalapeno, whatever, your hot sauce company, your pet shelter, whatever you want to do, people are interested in that. They don't think oh, you're not a real DJ now because you have a pet shelter. They think, oh, that's so cool.


Barnes (52:31):

We were just talking off air. I'm about to open my gazpacho company. I'm going to be selling my courts of Barnes' pacho. It's my ancient-


Lisa Loeb (52:40):

Are you serious?


Barnes (52:41):

Oh, yeah.


Lisa Loeb (52:42):

See, I think it's so exciting and people want to know.


Barnes (52:45):

I'm ordering labels today people.


Lisa Loeb (52:47):



Barnes (52:48):

I'm going there.


Lisa Loeb (52:48):

My daughter has a slime business. I know all about labels, containers, shipping. We're getting into the whole thing.


Cubby (52:54):

By the way, Lisa, what do you do? You look exactly the same from when I met you. I don't know what you're doing. I don't know what pill you're taking to stay young.


Lisa Loeb (53:02):

I drink water. I drink water. I think I focus on sleep. I eat well. I eat what I like, which is really great. Like pizza, little mini ice cream cones. A lot of broccoli, a lot of kale, a lot of vegetables. So I eat well, I sound like one of those dog food commercials. I eat well, exercise, but I do. I walk every day or take a bike ride. I do strength training a couple times a week.


Barnes (53:28):

You don't drink a lot.


Lisa Loeb (53:29):

I don't drink a lot, which might be the thing. Also, I'm always interested in things, and I wear sunscreen. I wear sunscreen every day.


Leslie (53:37):

That's a good tip.


Lisa Loeb (53:38):

Sunscreen and hats, but I wear a mask now all the time outside. I try to stay engaged and things and I try to, like we were talking about my album. It's not about being positive all the time, but it's about I try to look inward. I try to see what's going on in my life, what I would like to change about how I'm acting, what I'm doing, what's going on with me and my relationships and my family. It's not always good, it's not always perfect, but just this kind of introspection, looking at my life, trying to figure out how to grow as a human.


Lisa Loeb (54:12):

I'm always learning. I try to think about, well, what can I do for fun? Like I love crossword puzzles. I started printing out my Sunday New York Times crossword puzzle on Sunday, and I put my schedule on the back and throughout the week, I just work on my crossword. So I try to stay engaged. Keep doing things that I love.


Cubby (54:27):

You actually did a crossword puzzle with, I was reading with Doug Peterson of the New York Times.


Lisa Loeb (54:32):

Yes, I got to write a crossword puzzle. Oh my gosh, that was a huge thing. I was thinking about random things that I'm so excited about. I've been doing the New York Times crossword puzzle for years and years. At first, I thought it was super boring. You know like those things where you listen to PBS with your grandmother and you're like, oh, my God, this is so boring and then you find yourself listening to NPR all the time. You're like, oh, okay. Nova used to be like, oh, they're putting Nova on the TV and now you're like, oh, that's really interesting.


Lisa Loeb (54:58):

So the crossword puzzle used to be really boring to me. I think it was difficult, but then I loved doing it and they asked me to write a crossword puzzle for the New York Times, which was just so exciting. I love that. It's just so different and it was like writing a song, this collaboration with another person to write a crossword


Cubby (55:14):

Was it hard?


Lisa Loeb (55:16):

It was hard, but I was working with a seasoned professional. If you've ever been on Southwest Airlines, this guy, Doug writes all the crossword puzzles for Southwest. He's written books and books of crossword puzzles. So it was really fun to work with him.


Leslie (55:28):

Do your kids know that their mom is Lisa Loeb. I mean, come on.


Lisa Loeb (55:33):

Sort of. It was funny last night was putting my daughter to sleep. I read with both kids every night. I think it's kind of selfish. It's kind of like watching a TV show because we read these great books. So I'm like, we got to get another chapter in. So I'm reading my own book and I'm reading books to all of them, but my daughter, I had all this makeup on because I do cameos, these messages and also they started doing Zoom meetings.


Lisa Loeb (55:54):

So I had a Zoom cameo where I get to actually hang out with somebody and talk to them. I did a bunch of cameos and I had some other stuff I had to shoot so I had eyelashes on and my whole full face of makeup, which I do way more than a lot of other people normally do during COVID-19. I have full face of makeup often. It's weird when I'm in the neighborhood and I see the other moms. I'm like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm wearing like eyelashes and you could photograph me from a mile away and see all my features.


Lisa Loeb (56:20):

My daughter took my face in her hands and she said, "You look like Lisa Loeb." I was like oh instead of like, I do the mom lobe of like, I'm tired. Can you please pick up your socks? I had my lashes. Because when you have that makeup on, you just look like you're awake and you're from the 60s. Your face is stuck that way.


Barnes (56:40):

You look like you're in the 60s right now. What room are you in? I see a landline rotary dial telephone on the counter.


Lisa Loeb (56:47):

I know. I like that. That's the other thing. I am in my guestroom office. I do writing over here. I've been writing a lot at my grandfather's old metal desk, which I love and I've got all my books, well, not all my books, some of my books and stuff. This is the guest room, which for a while was the storage room because my husband turned the garage into his screening room. So everything from the garage came in here, but anyway, I've been clearing this out a lot.


Lisa Loeb (57:14):

This is a guest room/my work writing room but I'm obsessed with things from the past also. I think I'm going to do a YouTube something experience. Think about this, the things that you eat, the things that you listen to, you smell, you can go in a time machine. If you put on a song from the 70s like (singing). Play that, wear some 1970s clothes of like when you're a child, I don't know jeans that are really stiff.


Cubby (57:48):

But only serve food from that era.


Lisa Loeb (57:50):

Yes. So then you walk, and you literally you listen to the song and then you say can I have a piece of pepperoni pizza and a coke please. Maybe in an accent some from Texas. Can I have a pepperoni pizza and a coke please and you transport yourself. Or like the 80s, like I'm at Bloomingdale's. It smells like Giorgio, like Giorgio came out. This perfume, this cologne or whatever.


Lisa Loeb (58:10):

You're like, can I have a ham and cheese croissant and you're wearing little flats with pointy shoes and playing a song from like (singing) with like big dangly earrings that are kind of new wave but kind of mainstream and you feel like you're there. It's the weirdest thing. So obsessed with trying to place myself in different eras. You can be in a time machine.


Leslie (58:33):

You need to do that. You need to do your own YouTube channel and do that.


Lisa Loeb (58:36):

Wouldn't you like to do that?


Leslie (58:37):



Lisa Loeb (58:37):

Can't you think of things like that?


Cubby (58:39):



Lisa Loeb (58:40):

You know what you would do? You should have guests on to create scenarios-


Cubby (58:44):

Like smell, I think is the biggest memory bringer, backer. When you smell something-


Lisa Loeb (58:49):

It is. Goes right to your brain.


Cubby (58:50):

Right to your brain. I'd love to do something like that where you have all the senses coming at you.


Barnes (58:55):

Well, Lisa, thank you for coming on. It was such a treat and Cubby finally did something for the show.


Cubby (59:00):

See, Lisa, you made me look good. They thought I had no cool friends,


Lisa Loeb (59:04):

I will do anything for Cubby. Cubby really kick started this big career and I'm always so grateful. It's so fun that this relationship that I thought I had with Cubby is true.


Cubby (59:17):

It really is. It's true.


Leslie (59:17):

It's real.


Lisa Loeb (59:17):

It really means a lot to me. It really does and it's really fun to have grown through all the 26 years and still look the same and sound the same with Cubby. We're doing so many different things and so many different things are going on in our lives. So it's fun to have that. It's amazing.


Barnes (59:31):

Are you wearing the Cake & Pie frames right now?


Lisa Loeb (59:34):

I am wearing my Cake & Pie frames.


Barnes (59:36):

I thought I recognized those from Costco.


Lisa Loeb (59:37):

Thank you. Yes, they are at Costco. My glasses, yeah.


Barnes (59:40):

Enterprise. You are an enterprise. Lisa Loeb. Thank you very much. It was great to see you.


Leslie (59:44):

Thank you, Lisa.


Lisa Loeb (59:45):

Thank you so much for having me on. I will see y'all soon. Maybe in person.


Cubby (59:49):

Love you.


Lisa Loeb (59:49):

Thank you.


Barnes (59:50):

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Lisa Loeb

Dallas native Lisa Loeb is a 2018 GRAMMY Award-winning singer songwriter, touring musician and philanthropist who started her career with the platinum-selling Number 1 hit song “Stay (I Missed You)” from the film Reality Bites. A trailblazing independent artist, Lisa was the first pop musician to have a Number 1 single while not signed to a recording contract. She followed that remarkable feat with several hit singles and six albums, two which were certified gold.

Lisa is also well known to parents and kids for her five children’s albums and two illustrated children’s books with music. Lisa recently collaborated to develop and write the children’s musical “Camp Kappawanna” which debuted at New York City’s Atlantic Theater Company. Inspired by her own love of summer camp, in 2008, Lisa started The Camp Lisa Foundation, which sends underserved kids to summer camp. In 2015, The American Camp Association of New England named Lisa Loeb as their Camp Champions Honoree with a gala celebration at Fenway Park.

Over the last three years, Lisa has released three children’s albums that are exclusively available with Amazon. In January 2018, her family friendly album, “Feel What U Feel,” won the Grammy for Best Children’s Album, along with rave reviews and The Parents Choice Award. Among other shows, Lisa provides voice talent for the animated series “Creative Galaxy” and composes the original songs for the Emmy nominated, “If You Give a Mouse a Cookie” series. Her songs from the series make up a soundtrack album that was released in June of 2018 exclusively with Amazon.

Often recognized for her iconic cat-eyed glasses, Lisa redefines how women accessorize with her own eyewear line. As an entrepreneur, Lisa oversees the business and eyewear design of Lisa Loeb Eyewear. It’s an ever-growing collection, available at optical shops as well as Costco, where women’s styles and children’s frames are available. As an actor, Lisa’s recent film and television appearances include “AP Bio,” John Oliver’s “Last Week

Tonight,” “About a Boy,” “Hot Tub Time Machine 2,””King of The Nerds,” and Sprout Channel’s “Sunny Side Up Show” (now “Sprout House” on Universal Kids). You might have also heard her voice on commercials including Alfa Romeo, Foster Farms Chicken and Chili’s.

A recent personal honor for Lisa was being asked by editor, Will Shortz, to help celebrate the 75th anniversary of The New York Times crossword by creating an original puzzle with pro, Doug Peterson. Other recent highlights and appearances include contributing a cover version of “All the Young Dudes” for Howard Stern’s David Bowie Special on Sirius XM, leading a kids’ songwriting workshop in Sydney, Australia with AMP, and a two-week residency at the legendary Carlyle Hotel in New York.

This past Spring, Lisa exclusively released through Rolling Stone her cover of Bright Eyes’

“First Day of my Life,” which she recorded after performing for a friend’s wedding a decade ago. And in July, she released the new track “Love Never Dies,” an original song she wrote and recorded as a theme song to accompany acclaimed author James Patterson’s latest novel, “Sophia, Princess Among Beasts.”